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Al Qaida demands Spain - Yes or No? Say It's not so.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: Al Qaida demands Spain - Yes or No? Say It's not so.

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CAIRO (AP) � Al-Qaeda's No. 2 leader issued a worldwide call Thursday for Muslims to rise up in a holy war against Israel and join the fighting in Lebanon and Gaza until Islam reigns from "Spain to Iraq."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-07-27-zawahri-warning_x.htm

safeblad

Joined: 17 Jul 2006

Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject:

you made this post a year ago or something http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=62270&highlight=

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject:

I wanted to make the point again. It is still relevent no?

postfundie

Joined: 28 May 2004

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:42 am Post subject:

yeah they want spain but too many resources will have to go to getting their precious 'holy land' back....(Gotta kill the Joos first eh).. anyway the spaniards have far to many bars and flamenco dancing chicks....The Islamists can't overcome this....or maybe they can...they'll just threaten Zapatero with more violence and the damn left in that country will cave in....

Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject:

The bombings were a direct result of Spanish troops in Iraq. A war in which the vast majority of Spanish were already opposed to. Spain didn't cave in. The kicked out Washington's poodles.

cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject:

Isn't Zawahiri dead? Never mind irrelevant. cbc

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject:

Alias wrote:

The bombings were a direct result of Spanish troops in Iraq. A war in which the vast majority of Spanish were already opposed to. Spain didn't cave in. The kicked out Washington's poodles.

Where is the evidence that it was a direct result of Spainish troops in Iraq?

then why is Al Qadia still after Spain?

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Internet cafe hit by blast

13mar07

CASABLANCA: A man who was stopped from looking at terrorist websites by the owners of an internet cafe blew himself up with explosives hidden on his body.

Four others were injured in yesterday's blast, including the dead man's companion, who was admitted to hospital with burns and an injury to the throat, said a spokesman for the Moroccan Interior Ministry, Abderrahman Achour.

Authorities, uncertain about the circumstances of the blast in a Casablanca slum, were holding off labelling it a suicide bombing.

Police were not immediately able to identify the dead man, who was not carrying an ID card. His companion identified himself as Said Jokia, but he, too, was not carrying official identity papers.

The other three people injured in the blast were the internet cafe owner's son and two others, the official MAP news agency reported.

According to the agency, two men entered the cafe at 10pm on Sunday local time seeking access to terrorist sites. When the owner's son forbade them from doing so, one of the men was suddenly blown up by explosives he was wearing, MAP reported, citing the Surete Nationale police.

The injured companion fled the cafe but was later arrested. He was taken to Mohamed V Hospital in Casablanca, the ministry spokesman said, adding that due to the throat injury, police questioning was limited.

A series of near simultaneous suicide bombings that killed 45 people, including a dozen bombers, took place in Casablanca in 2003. Most of the bombers came from the Sidi Moumen slum. Since then, this Muslim North African country has made hundreds of arrests and has been scouring the country for Islamic extremists.

AP

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,21371121,00.html

catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject:

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Where is the evidence that it was a direct result of Spainish troops in Iraq?

.....from the Madrid bombers themselves. Why do you think they did it? Because Spain legalized gay marriage?

By the way, AQ was not involved in the Madrid bombings. These fundies were Moroccan.

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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject:

postfundie wrote:

anyway the spaniards have far to many bars and flamenco dancing chicks....The Islamists can't overcome this....or maybe they can.....

I wonder if they really do want to. The 9/11 hijackers were said to have spent many a night boozing it up in strip clubs.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject:

catman wrote:

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Where is the evidence that it was a direct result of Spainish troops in Iraq?

.....from the Madrid bombers themselves. Why do you think they did it? Because Spain legalized gay marriage?

By the way, AQ was not involved in the Madrid bombings. These fundies were Moroccan.

cause their ultimate goal is the Caliphate and then go on from there.

Anyway they were done by the Moroccan combat group which is an ally and a derivative of Al Qaeda and the planners of the attack also participated in the planning of 9-11.

Also look at the attacks - they required timers and plastic explosives.It was not the work of angry amateurs.

Last edited by Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee on Mon May 07, 2007 8:03 pm; edited 1 time in total

catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject:

I'm just waiting for bombings to take place in western countries not involved in the Iraq war. Sweden next?

catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject:

By the way, this is staight for the horse's mouth:

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Prosecutors claim Youssef Belhadj is the man seen in a video found near a Madrid mosque two days after the train bombings. The man in the video says the attacks - which killed 191 people and injured more than 1,800 - were revenge for the presence of Spanish troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/2/16/105312.shtml?s=os

Nothing to do with the caliphate.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject:

catman wrote:

By the way, this is staight for the horse's mouth:

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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/2/16/105312.shtml?s=os

Nothing to do with the caliphate.

that might be the opinion of one of the bombers,

on the other hand

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Suspect in Madrid bombings indicted in 9/11 attack plot
By Associated Press
Published April 29, 2004

MADRID - A Moroccan fugitive sought in connection with the March 11 train bombings in Madrid was indicted Wednesday on charges of helping to plan the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States - the first suspect linked to both attacks.

Amer Azizi, 36, helped organize a meeting in northeast Spain in July 2001 that key plotters in the U.S. attacks, including suicide pilot Mohamed Atta, used to finalize details, Judge Baltasar Garzon said in the indictment.

Azizi also was included in an indictment Garzon handed down last September against al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and 34 other terror suspects. Azizi was charged then with belonging to a terrorist organization. Bin Laden and nine others were charged with planning the Sept. 11 attacks.

In the new indictment, Azizi is charged with multiple counts of murder - "as many deaths and injuries as were committed" on Sept. 11, 2001 - for helping to plan the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Azizi provided lodging for people who attended the July 2001 meeting in the Tarragona region of Spain and acted as a courier, passing on messages between plotters, Garzon said in the indictment.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/29/Worldandnation/Suspect_in_Madrid_bom.shtml

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Foreigners
Jihad Without End
The Madrid bombings weren't about Iraq.
By Lee Smith
Posted Thursday, March 18, 2004, at 7:25 PM ET

Last week was a mixed one for the international jihadist movement. Some sources are now reporting that the March 11 Madrid bombings were the work of a Moroccan group known as Salafia Jihadia, also responsible for the bombings that killed 33 in Casablanca last May. However, the day the jihadists enjoyed one of their greatest successes, they also suffered a major loss, when the Chad military, aided by U.S. armed forces, killed 43 members of Algeria's Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat. (Apparently, the battle began in Niger, which borders Algeria, and eventually spilled over into Chad.)

Salaf means "predecessor," and it's used to refer to Muslim fundamentalists who disdain any innovation after the prophet Mohammed, his companions, and a few generations immediately following them. Salafism is the polite word for Wahabbism. So, besides the fact that both groups seem to have pledged some sort of allegiance to Osama Bin Laden, there's probably no connection between them.

Indeed, Algeria and Morocco, while neighbors, seem to be worlds apart. Algeria still hasn't quite emerged from the civil war that cost more than 100,000 lives throughout the 1990s. Morocco's romantic allure still draws tourists hoping to capture some of the vestigial panache of Bogart and Bergman's complicated love affair, or at least some of the fumes from Paul Bowles' hash pipe.

One difference between the two countries is that while Algeria's military-backed regime is still in a pitched battle with its Islamist groups, Morocco's 40-year-old King Muhammad VI has allowed Islamists a certain amount of participation in the political process. Still, many believe the biggest difference is their recent pasts: Morocco was a French* and Spanish protectorate until 1956, a relatively mild form of European colonialism compared with France's brutal 130-year occupation of Algeria, which didn't end until 1962. True enough, but it's useful to recall that the Arabs were also colonialists. The Arabic name for Morocco is al-Maghreb, the place where the sun set on the westernmost limit of the 8th-century Arab empire.

The Arabs conquered the Berbers, a general term encompassing numerous tribes throughout western North Africa, whose warrior ethos they put to good use. It was a largely Berber army, led by a Berber general, that conquered Spain in 711. The Berbers were, by and large, enthusiastic converts to Islam, perhaps a little too fervent for some of the ruling Arab elite. Unlike the Arabs, who fought just for plunder, the Berbers believed that they waged war to glorify Islam.

These kinds of issues about authenticity and identity�who's a real Muslim, who's a real Arab or a real Berber�are often present in colonial and post-colonial societies. And the issues are a problem now in both countries, though they are much more severe in Algeria, where there are serious tensions between Arabs and Berbers. The question is: After 1,200 years, how can you tell exactly who's got what blood? Also: Why is a recent colonial incursion more harmful to a native population than an older one that has had that much more time to play havoc on a people's psyche?

That's not to say that the Moroccans don't have live issues with the Spanish. For instance, in July 2002 the two countries tussled over a small rocky island�Perejil in Spanish, Leila in Arabic�of no apparent strategic value. (See this "International Papers" for more on the dispute.) Now one source reports that because of the dispute, for 18 months the two countries suspended counterterrorism cooperation that might have prevented last week's attacks. In the future, further trouble might come from Ceuta and Melilla, two fishing towns on Morocco's Mediterranean coast, which Spain refuses to abandon.

If the Spanish electorate believed that committing 1,300 troops to Iraq had needlessly exposed it to the jihadists' ire, it ought to reconsider the 6,000 Spanish forces stationed in Ceuta and Melilla. The Spanish, whose new prime minister is fond of the word "occupation," say there's nothing unusual about having so many troops in Spanish cities. But these cities are not in Spain. Already some Islamist ideologues are beginning to group Ceuta and Melilla together with Palestine and Kashmir as Muslim lands to be liberated. Even if that seems far-fetched, both towns are notorious for narcotics smuggling, and where there are drugs in the Mediterranean, North Africa, and the Middle East, an Islamist group is usually not far behind to partake of the profits. Hezbollah, for instance, is a significant player in the drug trade, an enterprise Algeria's Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat also has a hand in. May my Spanish grandmother forgive me for saying so, but her countrymen appear to be flourishing a big red cape at the Islamists, who will gladly remind them that "Ol�" is a corruption of "Allah."

After all, when al-Qaida lieutenant Ayman al-Zawahiri referred to "the tragedy of al-Andalus," he wasn't pining for what the Spanish call the "convivencia," when Muslims, Christians, and Jews all lived together in relative harmony. That picture of Muslim Spain is undoubtedly a little over-gilded, but it's good that the myth of al-Andalus continues to fund the world's imagination. Without the legend of peaceful co-existence, a city like New York�where Muslims, Jews, Christians, and others get along handsomely�would've been much more difficult to conceive.

At any rate, there was trouble in al-Andalus long before Ferdinand and Isabella banished the Muslims and the Jews in 1492. Two of the more serious challenges came from Morocco in the late 11th and then 12th century, first the Almoravids and then the Almohads, both of them Berber dynasties and Muslim fundamentalists.

Almoravid is a Hispanicized version of the Arabic word "al-Murabitun," or "those of the military encampment." As Richard Fletcher writes in Moorish Spain, the Almoravids "saw their role as one of purifying religious observance by the re-imposition where necessary of the strictest canons of Islamic orthodoxy." They came to redeem a weakened Muslim state against the Christians. Once the Almoravids got soft, the Almohads, still more theologically austere, came north to replace them. Almohad is a corruption of "al-Muwahhidun," or "those who profess the oneness of God." It is an Arabic word still in usage; in fact it is the other polite way to say Wahabbi.

After the Madrid attacks, a number of journalists, academics, and other experts picked up on the idea, perhaps most fully expressed in Jason Burke's book Al-Qaeda: Casting a Shadow of Terror, that al-Qaida may not be what many people think it is. It's not one vast organization with tentacles everywhere; it's a kind of franchise that helps with cash here, logistics there. Most important, it is the brand name of an umbrella ideology that all the jihadists subscribe to, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat and Salafia Jihadia, among others. Bin Laden is just the public face.

Looking at the Almohad and Almoravids, one might make the further point that jihadism is not just international, it's also a deeply ambitious ideological movement that feeds on its own thousand-plus-year history of extreme violence and revulsion for anything that is not itself.

Correction, March 19, 2004: This article originally called Morocco a former "Spanish protectorate." In fact, both France and Spain ruled parts of Morocco until 1956. Return to the corrected sentence.
Lee Smith is a Hudson Institute visiting fellow based in Beirut, where he is finishing a book.

Article URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2097370/

anyway why does AQ's number #2 keep demanding Spain?

and why were there terrorists that blew themselves up in an internet Cafe in Casablanca just two months ago?

I thought Spain withdrew troops from Iraq.

Last edited by Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee on Mon May 07, 2007 10:05 pm; edited 1 time in total

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject:

catman wrote:

I'm just waiting for bombings to take place in western countries not involved in the Iraq war. Sweden next?

Well this is not in a western country nevertheless :
s.

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Grateful Terrorists (Must Read Quote!)
WSJ.com ^ | Tuesday, September 2, 2003 2:37 p.m. EDT | JAMES TARANTO

Antiwar protesters down under are finally getting some recognition. Australia's Daily Telegraph quotes a man named simply Sawad, who helped mix the explosives used in last year's Bali nightclub bombing, as saying: "I want to thank the Australian people who supported our cause when they demonstrated against the policies of George Bush. Say thank you to all of them."

Didn't the Bali bombing happen before the US invaded Iraq? It was said to be revenge for Australia helping free Timor from Indonesia.

Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006

Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:19 am Post subject:

From what I hear they already have Sweden. Swedish folks have been pushed into the mountains to eke out the last days of controlling their country while Oslo is a muslim city- with only a last few ageing swedish folks going around in armor protected cars.

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