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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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 Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: How do I equate bad treatment with giving my life? |
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I was bored last night and I decided to look around the image gallery of Yahoo!. For Sh@tz and giggles, I typed in "Dead american soldiers" and......there's nothing more I can say about it......
Last weekend was my first drill with my new unit, which is closer to home and these idiots seemed hellbent on going to Iraq.
And most people who complain about their boss or director being bad, imagine being a 30-ish lower ranking enlisted person being barked at by a 20-something female sergeant, who probably slept with her commander to get the rank she holds now (believe it or not, it still happens in the national guards)......gimme a break!!!!
For those of you who are not in the know, I was called back to duty upon returning to the states, I was given the choice of going into the army (yeah right!) or spending my time in the national guard. I opted for the national guard, although it seems likely I can be called up anyway...
My point is, how can a person equate the bad, almost inhumane treatment of being a soldier with the fact that they might go to Iraq and most likely get blown to bitz..
It just doesn't add up.
and to those of you who think I'm BS'ing about being called up....
Here's the Presidential Order;
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Executive Order
Ordering the Ready Reserve of the Armed Forces to Active Duty And
Delegating Certain Authorities to the Secretary of Defense And
the Secretary of Transportation
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and in furtherance of the proclamation of September 14, 2001, Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks, which declared a national emergency by reason of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, New York, New York, and the Pentagon, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States, I hereby order as follows:
Section 1. To provide additional authority to the Department of Defense and the Department of Transportation to respond to the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States, the authority under title 10, United States Code, to order any unit, and any member of the Ready Reserve not assigned to a unit organized to serve as a unit, in the Ready Reserve to active duty for not more than 24 consecutive months, is invoked and made available, according to its terms, to the Secretary concerned, subject in the case of the Secretaries of the Army, Navy, and Air Force, to the direction of the Secretary of Defense. The term "Secretary concerned" is defined in section 101(a)(9) of title 10, United States Code, to mean the Secretary of the Army with respect to the Army; the Secretary of the Navy with respect to the Navy, the Marine Corps, and the Coast Guard when it is operating as a service in the Navy; the Secretary of the Air Force with respect to the Air Force; and the Secretary of Transportation with respect to the Coast Guard when it is not operating as a service in the Navy.
Sec. 2. To allow for the orderly administration of personnel within the armed forces, the following authorities vested in the President are hereby invoked to the full extent provided by the terms thereof: section 527 of title 10, United States Code, to suspend the operation of sections 523, 525, and 526 of that title, regarding officer and warrant officer strength and distribution; and sections 123, 123a, and 12006 of title 10, United States Code, to suspend certain laws relating to promotion, involuntary retirement, and separation of commissioned officers; end strength limitations; and Reserve component officer strength limitations.
Sec. 3. To allow for the orderly administration of personnel within the armed forces, the authorities vested in the President by sections 331, 359, and 367 of title 14, United States Code, relating to the authority to order to active duty certain officers and enlisted members of the Coast Guard and to detain enlisted members, are invoked to the full extent provided by the terms thereof.
Sec. 4. The Secretary of Defense is hereby designated and empowered, without the approval, ratification, or other action by the President, to exercise the authority vested in the President by sections 123, 123a, 527, and 12006 of title 10, United States Code, as invoked by sections 2 and 3 of this order.
Sec. 5. The Secretary of Transportation is hereby designated and empowered, without the approval, ratification, or other action by the President, to exercise the authority vested in sections 331, 359, and 367 of title 14, United States Code, when the Coast Guard is not serving as part of the Navy, as invoked by section 2 of this order, to recall any regular officer or enlisted member on the retired list to active duty and to detain any enlisted member beyond the term of his or her enlistment.
Sec. 6. The authority delegated by this order to the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Transportation may be redelegated and further subdelegated to civilian subordinates who are appointed to their offices by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
Sec. 7. Based upon my determination under 10 U.S.C. 2201(c) that it is necessary to increase (subject to limits imposed by law) the number of members of the armed forces on active duty beyond the number for which funds are provided in appropriation Acts for the Department of Defense, the Secretary of Defense may provide for the cost of such additional members as an excepted expense under section 11(a) of title 41, United States Code.
Sec. 8. This order is intended only to improve the internal management of the executive branch, and is not intended to create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by a party against the United States, its agencies, its officers, or any person.
Sec. 9. This order is effective immediately and shall be promptly transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register.
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE,
September 14, 2001.
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Must be great to be an American. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| Not about now, its not.... |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a ton of friends in the US armed forces, and a few who've been to Iraq. Some of them signed up out of patriotic duty, some signed up because they consider it a career and don't want anything to do with fighting, some wanted to escape problems in their country, and some are just adventurous. There are of course those who just want to kill, but luckily they don't come out much in Korea. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Why did you join?
Did you need something new to complain about?
The Army is voluntary.
cbc |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
Why did you join?
Did you need something new to complain about?
The Army is voluntary.
cbc |
He's in the reserves...it would seem. Probably joined a few years earlier when the Army wasn't embroiled in Iraq. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Should have gone straight into the army and gotten some valuable combat experience. After your tour apply for a contract job in Iraq or Afghanistan and make 100,000US a year....would you rather come back here and teach? I wouldn't...  |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
| Should have gone straight into the army and gotten some valuable combat experience. After your tour apply for a contract job in Iraq or Afghanistan and make 100,000US a year....would you rather come back here and teach? I wouldn't... |
Yeah, 'cause we all know Iraq is a great place to be.  |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
Why did you join?
Did you need something new to complain about?
The Army is voluntary.
cbc |
That's exactly what he's do'n. There are soldiers and civilians that've lost limbs, lives and loves and THIS is what you have to complain about? Man, YOU are the one who enlisted! Grow up and grow a pair. And don't hit your head with a hammer anymore....
Hitting yourself with a hammer (self-destructive behavior) and you're worried about being called up...seems to me you need to be called up and learn to appreciate the health and life you have now. |
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CeleryMan
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Watch your back and hang in the there my man!
God Bless |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Please....he wasn't even called up. YET! He's just a lonely guy back States side seeking sympathy and attention and is actually coming across as a pathetic little man.
My concern is for the guys that he has to soldier along beside him! I'd be afraid he'd fold under fire leaving me out to dry (and die). He's even afraid of the big bad Army *shudder* and runs to the National Guard... |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I served in US Army and a state national guard too and often those of higher rank yell at you in attempt to control you through instilling fear into you. That stinks badly for enlisted soldiers.
I guess your looking at teaching English where you no longer have access to PX services for American goods, but you do not have a yelling and screaming boss nor early AM wake up. If you do have a screaming boss, run, becuase that would spell big trouble in a teaching job. You instead may become the screaming boss when the little ones disobey you, are rude as can be, punch you in the groin, and poke pencils at your behind. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:16 am Post subject: |
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OP- How long have you actually been in military service? Is this the first time someone has yelled at you? No ONE likes it. It's a normal part of military life. Get used to it.
As for the female SGT, well, don't get me started on that BS. Their PT tests are a joke compared to ours. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: |
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I did not enlist.....I was unvoluntarily called up....
Read the authorization letter that followed my comment, I was apart of that. I asked what would happen if I didn't sign up;
1. I would lose my passport and driver's lisense.
2. I would lose my right to vote
3. I could be sent to prison for up to 5 years.
4. I could be kicked out of school
These are things people don't know because obviously most of you haven't met someone...yet...who has been part of this involuntary call-up.
this among other benefits that are naturally enjoyed by every citizen here that I would lose if I didn't participate in this Vietnam-style call-up.
I was in the military prior for 5 and half years, I am totally familiar with the army life.
Why didn't I just go straight into the army? I enjoy and value my life so much more that I prefer to be with family and friends alive rather than have them weep for me over my grave.
I felt like I had more of a purpose before, which was to defend the US, not throw my life away in a thoughtless war, which is what I think of it now.
As for barring comments, that is only for army-related blogs not for something as insignificant as "dave's"
I appreciate all your comments, as that is what I am supposed to be protecting (though most of you don't appreciate it) and I take them with a grain of salt (which is what alot of the pro-military comments are worth). |
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