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Does learning Korean help your career opportunities here?
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seoul_nhl



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:21 am    Post subject: Does learning Korean help your career opportunities here? Reply with quote

Does learning Korean help your career opportunities here? Aside from teaching and making life easier will learning Korean help in giving you more job opportunities?

I realized I repeated myself......
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zappadelta



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Affirmative.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Does learning Korean help your career opportunities here Reply with quote

seoul_nhl wrote:
Does learning Korean help your career opportunities here? Aside from teaching and making life easier will learning Korean help in giving you more job opportunities?

I realized I repeated myself......


Isn't it kind of an easy question to answer?
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zappadelta wrote:
Affirmative.

I disagree.

I don't know of one school I've interviewed with (in 11 years) that actually wanted me to speak Korean or cared if I could. I can't recall even one bothering to ask.
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
zappadelta wrote:
Affirmative.

I disagree.

I don't know of one school I've interviewed with (in 11 years) that actually wanted me to speak Korean or cared if I could. I can't recall even one bothering to ask.


Doesn't mean a thing that you disagree because of what you experienced. If you can without a doubt truly speak Korean then you can demonstrate to a potential employer how you can help the students get from point A to point B in a timely, efficient fashion.
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PimpofKorea



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Young FRANKenstein wrote:
zappadelta wrote:
Affirmative.

I disagree.

I don't know of one school I've interviewed with (in 11 years) that actually wanted me to speak Korean or cared if I could. I can't recall even one bothering to ask.


Doesn't mean a thing that you disagree because of what you experienced. If you can without a doubt truly speak Korean then you can demonstrate to a potential employer how you can help the students get from point A to point B in a timely, efficient fashion.


and if you could do that then they might actually throw an extra 50000won a month at you.....its totally worth it.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So YoungFRANKenstein's 11 years of experience here, which spans the majority of time the ESL community has thrived her, means nothing, yingwenlaoshi?

I beg to differ. I'm not a veteran, this is my opinion, but I'd like some facts to counter most of the opinions I've read about this.

Learning Korean is beneficial and is something more ESL teachers should learn, but I agree that most principals, administrators and directors don't care about your ability to speak fluent Korean.

On another note, Learning Korean will make your life easier in Korea, but I know uni teachers who don't speak much Korean.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Korea has the 12th-largest economy in the world, and the average person can't speak English well. It would be impossible for a reasonably ambitious person to not make more money knowing the language (this would also involve switching to something besides English teaching though).
Oh, speaking Korean also increases one's chances of getting married and then getting the invincible spousal visa where you can do almost anything. Not that this should be the main goal in studying the language, but it certainly makes it far more likely than without knowing any of the language.
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PimpofKorea wrote:
yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Young FRANKenstein wrote:
zappadelta wrote:
Affirmative.

I disagree.

I don't know of one school I've interviewed with (in 11 years) that actually wanted me to speak Korean or cared if I could. I can't recall even one bothering to ask.


Doesn't mean a thing that you disagree because of what you experienced. If you can without a doubt truly speak Korean then you can demonstrate to a potential employer how you can help the students get from point A to point B in a timely, efficient fashion.


and if you could do that then they might actually throw an extra 50000won a month at you.....its totally worth it.


50,000. Yeah ok. Rolling Eyes

If you are bilingual in English and Korean then you can teach in-depth grammar more efficiently and have students become more fluent. Depends on how good a teacher you are. The better you are, the more they'll want you. You just have to find who can pay you more. The ones that can pay you more are the ones who will benefit from employing you.

Word gets out on your abilities and they'll be lining up to get into your class. If you don't think that's a possibility then it will never become one.

Like mithridates wrote, it depends on your ambition.

If you're talking about going to Regular Joe Hagwon, well of course you're not going to get anything.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are looking at this all wrong. I have two friends who have great part-time jobs, because they speak Korean. Both of them work on tv and were picked because they can take directions in Korean. Teaching English goes beyond sitting in a hagwon classroom.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely not. The better career jobs are made via connections, friendships, relationships, etc. It's who you know who knows someone important. Speaking the local language is always a benefit...but not for career jobs. Besides...who in their right mind would want a career job in korea? A few years, ok, but career wise? It seems that even koreans want out of korea judging by the amount of visas' issued to koreans from other countries.
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zappadelta



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe some of you are saying 'no' to this.

For me, one thing that speaking Korean can do is leave a good impression. When I go to an interview, there is always someone around, be it the principal of the school, the director, the janitor, that can't speak English. If you can at least greet them and make some little small talk in Korean, you come off looking really good and they will remember you. As opposed to the 5 or 6 other teachers that also interviewed for the job.

Also, it's a great benefit in the classroom. It's great for explaining difficult grammar points that the kids might be grasping. Good for teaching new, difficult vocabulary. And, great for classroom management. If you get the classroom commands down in Korea, they will listen and probably respect you more.

And, of course like Mith said, more opportunities can surely open up for you outside of teaching. And, he should know about that.
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bobbyhanlon



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is such an obvious 'yes'. i mean, come on! for a teacher, ok, nobody cares if you speak korean or not, but if you want to do anything else, then of course it is a total advantage.
my korean is not particularly good, but i get by. often i thought 'i wish i spoke perfect korean' because i've been told so many times that i could do anything if i just learned more. really.. the only value you bring if you don't speak korean is that you are a native english speaker- you will be in demand to teach english, and correct people's documents, and so on- but virtually nothing else.

anyway.. i'm getting out of here in june so i don't care any more. if you plan to make a real career here though, definitely learn korean.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Doesn't mean a thing that you disagree because of what you experienced. If you can without a doubt truly speak Korean then you can demonstrate to a potential employer how you can help the students get from point A to point B in a timely, efficient fashion.

I don't dispute that knowing the language will help you with school admins and the like and make your job easier and without the "misunderstanding" we've all run into at one time or another, but there are schools out there that FORBID speaking Korean in class. How does that help me?

But if we are talking about ALL job opportunities, not just teaching jobs, then of course knowing the language would benefit.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:
Speaking the local language is always a benefit...but not for career jobs.

This is a big difference between Korea and Japan. Japanese bosses will hire you even if you don't speak Japanese, but they almost always expect you to learn the language, and most will even pay for the lessons and privide the tutor/class. In Korea, most bosses don't care, and in my case I've had to drop my Korean class at one point because the boss changed the teaching schedule to conflict with my Korean classes... too bad for me, he doesn't pay me to learn Korean.
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