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Have Koreans Ever Invented Anything?
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Matt_22



Joined: 22 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

korean ingenuity led to the creation of human embryonic stem cells by cloning. this scientific breakthrough is a source of great national pride for the korean people. oh wait...
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ChopChaeJoe



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They did clone those wolves though.
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Vicissitude



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChopChaeJoe wrote:
They did clone those wolves though.

It is a dog, more specifically an Afgan Hound named "snuppy." South Korea was the first to clone a dog.

Koreans, if they aren't eating dogs, they are cloning them (out of a sense of national pride). Interesting, I never saw an Afgan Hound in Korea. Why'd they pick that breed anyway over the famous Jindo?
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ChopChaeJoe



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure the Koreans were the first to clone wolves. the aggies, back in Texas, were the first to clone dogs, because they needed sex.
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I should never have started this thread - it has resulted in a hatefest. Christ, I was asking a sincere question ...


Then you should have phrased your legitimate question as,
"What are some of the products and patents that Koreans invented?"
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komerican



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: the west learned from the east Reply with quote

as I've pointed out in my previous post on this topic, which is a popular one on esl sites, go figure, is that necessity is the mother of invention.

the west benefitted from various factors such as the break up of the Roman empire, a lucky happenstance of history, which allowed for the competitive feudalism that led to early capitalism.

Eastern governments were much more successful in maintaining their huge centralized bureaucracies which dampens inventiveness.

The west also, for centuries during their middle ages, absorbed much of the creativity and inventiveness of the Fertile Crescent and East Asia. A lot of this was reverse engineered and newly labelled as western inventions, go figure.

So the creative spark that created the modern world we live in today was created outside of europe, from the agricuture products to paper, to guns, to the crank shaft, to the domestication of plants and animals, all were imported from outside of europe.

Korea was for much of its history an amazingly stable bureaucratic state, much more stable than chine. If you look at the length of the dynasties you can see that korean dynasties lasted much longer than chinese dynasties. This "success" in stability while good for culture dampens creativity.

korea was by no mean alone in this. China and japan and other countries had strong central governments. In japan, for example, after the portuguese introduced guns to the japanese, japan was the leading producer of quality guns in the world. but after unification of the various warring factions the central bureaucracy decided that guns threated their power and also threatened the existence of the samurai class. so a country that had produced the best guns in world went to outlawing guns completely.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:
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Movable metal type printing press. An upgrade on the wood/clay ones the Chinese were using.


Yeah, I know about that - not an invention really, but just copying another country's invention and just improving upon it.

Thanks in any case for replying though.

Anyone got anything else?

Looks like I will have to stick to saying that Korea invented hangeul, which while awesome, is not exactly known in other countries. Sigh.


And the electric lightbulb was an improvement on the oil lamp.

After all isn't the internal combustion engine just an improvement on the lever.

cbc
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endo



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: the west learned from the east Reply with quote

komerican wrote:
The west also, for centuries during their middle ages, absorbed much of the creativity and inventiveness of the Fertile Crescent and East Asia. A lot of this was reverse engineered and newly labelled as western inventions, go figure.

So the creative spark that created the modern world we live in today was created outside of europe, from the agricuture products to paper, to guns, to the crank shaft, to the domestication of plants and animals, all were imported from outside of europe.



Most of the grains (domesticated plants) and livestock (domesticated animals) originated in the fertile crescent. Thus those areas have a much longer history and head start in developing these technologies.

But your post appears to negate the hegemony that western technology holds over this globe with the notion that all of this success can be traced back (however miniscule) to areas outsode of Europe.

Perhaps the seed and even the early growth was planted elsewhere, but you can't deny the incredible success that the West has had.



Just go out on the street in Seoul and look around you. From the cars, to the appartments, to the clothing, to the cell phones, to the hair styles, to the city planning, to the subways, to the buses, ect.....

....these all originate in the West.

The premier hospotials and universities in Korea all have westerners behind their establishment.

Even South Korean coorperations like Samsung and Hyundai could not have started up with out a western buisness model and more importantly western money.
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willneverteachagain



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my shirt says a korean invented it
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get into what Koreans recently you would have to delve deep into semi-conductors and nano-technology. They've developed all of the technology that now makes mp3 players, cell phones, and digital cameras so small. They've developed the technology that allows one small device to have a mulititude of functions and not burn the hell out of your hand.

I once had a student who was an engineer for Samsung. He held 24 unique U.S. patents alone.

Anyways, what have you invented?
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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guri guy spends a lot of time as a Japanese apologist. I like to puncture his ballon. Paxis is just a twit wheo can't leave it alone.

The New Zealanders developed a new use for sheep. Just ask any Aussie


No offense but I think your arguments couldn't puncture a wet paper bag. Wink

I am not a Japanese apologist. Japan is not perfect, just like any other country. However, I do have certain opinions on Korean/Japanese issues. I have no problem in switching my opinion if I am given objective fact. Calling me a racist or Japanese lover or other things certainly is not going to do that. Leave emotion out of it and give me a reasonable argument. Then I'll take notice.
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wo buxihuan hanguoren



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, why do people get in such a knot, saying crap like 'What have you invented?' and 'People invent things, not countries'?

I'll tell you why - it's because of the way Koreans act about such things -
Jesus, I had no idea what my country contributed to the world until I came to Korea and felt bad about having almost nothing to brag about my country next to these chest-pounding fellas that went on and on about how great Korea is, that's why. First thing I did after crying in the toilets after said convos? Run back home and do mad google searches so I could show these rice lovers what's what is what I did.

I suggest you lads being outshined by the Korean water clock to do the same - never let these Asian upstarts try and get the best of us!
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PimpofKorea



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea invented the Starcraft Pro-Gamer. They took an outdated 1998 PC Game (designed by Americans of course)...and turned it into a career and way of life...Bravo my anus!!!!
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I could care less if Koreans have invented anything or not. However if I see something that I think is historically inaccurate or maybe is in dispute I will post on it. It's not because I hate Korea as some trolls have said.
I think Koreans are innovative and have a talent for improving things. Nothing wrong with that. That takes a lot of skill in itself.

Maybe some extreme hyper nationalists in Korea might get pissed off but the average Korean doesn't care either.

I like how they adapted mag lev technology to make their slide phones even smaller. Kudos to the Korean engineers for that. Smile
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Nicco61



Joined: 06 May 2007
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:
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Movable metal type printing press. An upgrade on the wood/clay ones the Chinese were using.


Yeah, I know about that - not an invention really, but just copying another country's invention and just improving upon it.

Thanks in any case for replying though.

Anyone got anything else?

Looks like I will have to stick to saying that Korea invented hangeul, which while awesome, is not exactly known in other countries. Sigh.


Compared to woodblock printing, movable type pagesetting was quicker and more durable. The metal type pieces were more durable and the lettering was more uniform, leading to typography and fonts. The high quality and relatively low price of the Gutenberg Bible (1455) established the superiority of movable type, and printing presses rapidly spread across Europe, leading up to the Renaissance, and later all around the world. Today, practically all movable type printing ultimately derives from Gutenberg's movable type printing, which is often regarded as the most important invention of the second millennium

The only reason it did not catch on in Korea was they were still using Chinese characters and they were just too many of them.
Sort of like a Chinese typewriter
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