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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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 Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: Hug me if, and only if, you hate Japan |
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Only in Korea would they combine an otherwise sappy, no strings feel good movement like the Free Hugs campaign with Japanese hate and Dokdo. |
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MCSM
Joined: 20 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
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OK.
That's pretty awful. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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I bet these kid's parents look at them and go,
"We got rid of a mother *beep*-ing military dictatorship and you're moaning over two islands?! Your grandfather would be spinning in his grave if the Chinese army grenade had left enough of him to bury!" |
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ruffie
Joined: 11 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| Free Hate Hugs..how very Korean. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Doesn't this look like a word game? Rearrange the words to make different sentences?
Or maybe a ransom note?
Free Hug. Give Dokdo a hug.
Had this little neo-fascist cutie been blessed with discernible breasties, she could've painted them grey, and named them "Seodo" and "Dongdo". I'd be thrilled to give the sacred islets a cuddle. 
Okay, is this what posters have been griping about over on the "Man-purses" thread? I hope not, as I have one of those. It's for my camera. But I'd never wear it the way he does, all lady-purse-like slung on one shoulder. No sir. I wear mine in the unambiguously hetero, sash-across-the-chest style. Like a beauty pageant contestant.  |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| If she had discernible breasties, she could paint them grey, name them "Seodo" and "Dongdo", and I'd be pleased to hug that cute little neo-fascist. |
Guilty of pointing out the obvious, but what you said here is unkind. And the thread is all about making Koreans look unkind - which is an arguable case, of course, in this specific instance ... but you argue the case by making yourself seem to be unkind?
We can do better. Why not, let's try?
Um, there's also the small fact that you are behaving exactly like the sort of waygookin that feverishly nationalistic Koreans like to complain about on the 'net, i.e., the kind of waygookin who are all about touching the discernible breasties of young Korean women ... but, damn, I wan't going to mention that. (Again, case of pointing out the obvious.)
You're a smart man, JG, and reasonable, and I have a feeling in the cold light of day, when you read this again, you notice something factual in this ... or else, you'll have a better explanation than what I have been able to arrive at so far.
Dokdo seems trivial, but it's a symbol that's been arrived at locally. I also think it's a little overdone, though smetimes charming, that people should get all het over a couple of such small islands ... um, don't ask me to explain why it might be charming, I just sort of do.
Historically, the Japanese nation has a lot to own up for in it's treatment of its neighbors in this part of the world in the last century. Young Koreans are pretty aware of that, though of course it gets all messed up with mob metality ...
Fact is, though, Japanese people are largely oblivious to their obligations regarding this history, and Korea is only one of a number of countries who have been trying to point that out in one way or another. (IMHO, not enough Americans feel any pain over the fact that we are the only country to have ever used atomic weapons on a civilian population - um, another discussion, sorry.)
Get a moment, though, explain how the term "neo-fascist" fits in here in any sort of context at all ... ? If you have time. |
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pastis
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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"the Bobster", quit babbling all your bullsh*t... 
This is exactly the kind of immature, hypocritical crap that makes Korea look inferior to Japan. Case in point. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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"the Bobster", quit babbling all your bullsh*t...
This is exactly the kind of immature, hypocritical crap that makes Korea look inferior to Japan. Case in point. |
Actually, no. The thread accuses Koreans of being unkind, yet the thread itself is also unkind. JG was especially so, verging into the sexual as he did so.
I told how the unkindness was displayed and specualted about why. You did not. I invite discussion, you continue the unkindness - only difference, you direct it at me. Good move? I doubt it. You are proving the point I was making ...
Where is the hypocrisy? I think I can sort of guess, but it's not the answer you want to hear ... talk about it, if you want - but if you want to talk, then really talk. Otherwise, both our time is wasted.
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pastis
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
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"the Bobster", quit babbling all your bullsh*t...
This is exactly the kind of immature, hypocritical crap that makes Korea look inferior to Japan. Case in point. |
Actually, no. The thread accuses Koreans of being unkind, yet the thread itself is also unkind., |
The OP is not unkind, unless showing how people are unkind is unkind.
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| JG was especially so, verging into the sexual as he did so. |
That wasn't unkind, it was a harmless joke done in good enough taste. Are you gonna cry again?
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| I told how the unkindnessd was displayed and specualted about why. You did not. I invite discussion, you continue the unkindness - only difference, you direct it at me. Good move? I dount it. You are proving the point I was making ... |
No, playing the apologist for the "hate huggers" in that photo is all you were (are) doing. Keep it simple, stupid.
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| Where is the hypocrisy? |
1) Korea militarily invaded Dokdo/Takeshima and killed Japanese fishermen.
2) Hugs and hate don't go together.
3) Those brainwashed young people in the photo merely towing the nationalist line, ignorant to the facts.
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| Otherwise, both our time is wasted. |
You're pretty good at wasting other people's time aren't you? Practice makes perfect I guess. |
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MCSM
Joined: 20 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Bobby's taking the wordsmith, and himself, a little seriously today.
Nothing like self-righteousness after a hard day's work. Ahhhhhhh.
If this is isn't a source of comedy, what is? |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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This whole free hugs if you espouse their beliefs reminds me of those days when I would go to Sunday school as a kid.
Every Sunday I'd go there and listen to this slightly tense, overly serious young woman tell us some story about the bible and how important it was to remember. Then at the end of the period, we'd have to say parrot back the moral/theme of the bible bit for some cheap candy.
By the time I was 10 I was getting bored by the silliness of it and starting to see the hypocracy of it, but I was 10 years old. The most important thing was candy, even cheap candy. So of course I would say what they wanted me to say, as long as I got some of that candy.
Unless it was strawberry, that just sucked! |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Id hug them. Dokdo is Korean afterall. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Bobster, I'm just suggesting Free Hugs should not be co-opted for some political end, especially one as emotionally charged as this issue. A hug is about spreading positive emotions, not whacking people over the head with historical bitterness, no matter how justified.
It's not about division. While I think Korea's claim to Dokdo is good and I think it is a symbol for past Japanese aggression and unwillingness to deal with its past (especially in light of the fact Korea and China are sooooooooooo open about theirs...) , I just don't think a sappy thing like Free Hugs should be used for political end. I guess I didn't mention the forced choice survey they were also handing out to the crowd.
It's like a soup kitchen demanding you sign an oath you're not a communist.
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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I think the moral of the story is: No matter how innocent and optimistic something is, someone will always find a way to make it hateful, perverse and/or misleading.
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| Get a moment, though, explain how the term "neo-fascist" fits in here in any sort of context at all ... ? If you have time. |
Fascism is a far-right idealogy espousing conformism and complete loyalty to the state. Thus, a bunch of kids standing around fanning the flames of stupidity under the guise of "free hugs" is ignorant, excessively nationalistic and just plain absurd.
Neo means "new." As fascism reached its (arguable) peak in Nazi Germany, and has evolved into new forms and stategies, it's convievable (albeit a bit trite) to refer to the current political climate in Korea to be "Neo-Facism."
Is that good enough for you, or does Scotticus need to hit the "History Teacher" switch? |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| They need to GET OVER IT. Simple as that. |
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