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zeeseong



Joined: 23 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:43 am    Post subject: could Philippino get a English teaching job in seoul? Reply with quote

Hey, guys.
I'm korean and my friend from Phillipines asked me if he could get a english teaching job here.
He is undergraduate student and came to korea to study.
But because it is too expensive for him to live in seoul, he wants to get a part time job and we concluded that english teaching job will be best for him.
Many southern asians are treated like slaves or just 3D workers in Korea, but he is very smart and now he is a student of the most famous university in Korea.
And his first language is English.
We know korean english education institutions prefer Americans, or whites, but we are just wondering whether it is impossible for him to get a job in english education institutions or not.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:58 am    Post subject: Re: could Philippino get a English teaching job in seoul? Reply with quote

zeeseong wrote:
Hey, guys.
I'm korean and my friend from Phillipines asked me if he could get a english teaching job here.
He is undergraduate student and came to korea to study.
But because it is too expensive for him to live in seoul, he wants to get a part time job and we concluded that english teaching job will be best for him.
Many southern asians are treated like slaves or just 3D workers in Korea, but he is very smart and now he is a student of the most famous university in Korea.
And his first language is English.
We know korean english education institutions prefer Americans, or whites, but we are just wondering whether it is impossible for him to get a job in english education institutions or not.


If he does not have his bachelors degree yet - it is illegal for him to be a teacher of anything.

Since he is NOT from one of the 7 "approved by immigration" countries he cannot get a visa to teach English or get approval on his student visa to teach / tutor English.

He can work illegally but if he gets caught he will be placed in detention (imigration jail) until his case is heard then he will be fined and deported. If he cannot pay the fine or does not have the money or a return ticket he will be held in jail until payment can be arranged.

There are currently about 1000 Pinoys being held in immigration detention centers around the country for working illegally. Please don't suggest to him that he should do somethig so he could join them.

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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:59 am    Post subject: Re: could Philippino get a English teaching job in seoul? Reply with quote

zeeseong wrote:
Hey, guys.
I'm korean and my friend from Phillipines asked me if he could get a english teaching job here.
He is undergraduate student and came to korea to study.
But because it is too expensive for him to live in seoul, he wants to get a part time job and we concluded that english teaching job will be best for him.
Many southern asians are treated like slaves or just 3D workers in Korea, but he is very smart and now he is a student of the most famous university in Korea.
And his first language is English.
We know korean english education institutions prefer Americans, or whites, but we are just wondering whether it is impossible for him to get a job in english education institutions or not.


No, it's not possible. To Korea English is the international language that can be used almost everywhere, but at the same time can only be taught by people from a magical seven countries. Dutch guy that has a Ph.D in Germanic language studies, perfect English and wrote his dissertation on Beowulf? No! Dude from some country that came to Canada when he was 12, got citizenship and barely got through four years at community college? Yes!
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Re: could Philippino get a English teaching job in seoul? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
If he does not have his bachelors degree yet - it is illegal for him to be a teacher of anything.

Since he is NOT from one of the 7 "approved by immigration" countries he cannot get a visa to teach English or get approval on his student visa to teach / tutor English.

There have been Filipinos with E2s, but they majored in either English or Education. I'm unsure if they needed an MA in those fields, or if a BA was enough, but they have given E2s out. It's not as simple as "any BA" as it is for the Big Seven.
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mervsdamun



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Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:49 am    Post subject: Re: could Philippino get a English teaching job in seoul? Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:

Dude from some country that came to Canada when he was 12, got citizenship and barely got through four years at community college? Yes!


Knew a guy like that though he was pretty intelligent and I doubt he struggled at college. In fact his grasp of the grammatical rules and English vocabulary seemed to be superior to quite a few �native� native speakers that get paid for their accents alone.

At one of my schools they wanted us to teach the younger kids phonetic transcription but the English �professors� protested, claiming that this wasn�t what they were being paid for (obviously never used a dictionary). Only two people weren�t scared by the funny symbols and agreed to teach them and he was one of them. That�s just one example�
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wo buxihuan hanguoren



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:57 am    Post subject: Re: could Philippino get a English teaching job in seoul? Reply with quote

mervsdamun wrote:
mithridates wrote:

Dude from some country that came to Canada when he was 12, got citizenship and barely got through four years at community college? Yes!


Knew a guy like that though he was pretty intelligent and I doubt he struggled at college. In fact his grasp of the grammatical rules and English vocabulary seemed to be superior to quite a few �native� native speakers that get paid for their accents alone.

At one of my schools they wanted us to teach the younger kids phonetic transcription but the English �professors� protested, claiming that this wasn�t what they were being paid for (obviously never used a dictionary). Only two people weren�t scared by the funny symbols and agreed to teach them and he was one of them. That�s just one example�


Yeah right - so let's stop accent discrimination too while we're at it.

Also, learning the phonetic symbols for English is pointless in any case, as English is not a phonetic language and it is just more useless crap to learn when one could be focusing on speaking the language as juxtaposed to being holed-up with a dictionary.
What next, touting learning bapamafa as a viable means to learn Mandarin in Taiwan?
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mervsdamun



Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: could Philippino get a English teaching job in seoul? Reply with quote

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:


Yeah right - so let's stop accent discrimination too while we're at it.

Also, learning the phonetic symbols for English is pointless in any case, as English is not a phonetic language and it is just more useless crap to learn when one could be focusing on speaking the language as juxtaposed to being holed-up with a dictionary.
What next, touting learning bapamafa as a viable means to learn Mandarin in Taiwan?


Well, I didn�t see this coming.

Explanation: knowledge of phonetic transcription helps especially with languages that aren�t phonetic. That�s the whole purpose of the system� to consistently represent sounds in written form. It�s about 30 to 60 minutes to master for an adult with an average intellect (and is present in every single dictionary I have seen).
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mervsdamun



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Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Btw, regarding my friend, I�m not say he was an ideal teacher. But accent alone does not make a teacher.
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dalpengi



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:04 am    Post subject: Re: could Philippino get a English teaching job in seoul? Reply with quote

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:

Also, learning the phonetic symbols for English is pointless in any case, as English is not a phonetic language and it is just more useless crap to learn


It�s amazing that people as knowledgeable as you get a job teaching languages. But that�s something that you can�t be blamed for. It�s the hogwon owners and clueless parents that create such demand for utter mediocrity. Just don�t go around pretending you know what you're talking about. Be glad you have a job in this country cause you would fail to cut the grade as a language teacher in most developed countries with that level of knowledge.


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wo buxihuan hanguoren



Joined: 18 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:16 am    Post subject: Re: could Philippino get a English teaching job in seoul? Reply with quote

dalpengi wrote:
wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:

Also, learning the phonetic symbols for English is pointless in any case, as English is not a phonetic language and it is just more useless crap to learn


It�s amazing that people as knowledgeable as you get a job teaching languages. But that�s something that you can�t be blamed for. It�s the hogwon owners and clueless parents that create such demand for utter mediocrity. Just don�t go around pretending you know what you talking about. Be glad you have a job in this country cause you would fail to cut the grade as a language teacher in most developed countries with that level of knowledge.


Okay Mr. Man - instead of insulting me, provide some proof as to why it is beneficial for a non-native speaker to learn the phonetic system for English. Seriously - make your case - I am interested.
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dalpengi



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: could Philippino get a English teaching job in seoul? Reply with quote

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:

Okay Mr. Man - instead of insulting me, provide some proof as to why it is beneficial for a non-native speaker to learn the phonetic system for English. Seriously - make your case - I am interested.


Hopefully this simple example will suffice:
When they open the dictionary, and look up the word city they'll know that it's not pronounced� kity (and that the i is not pronounced as the i in bike, and that the y is different to the y in my).

As the other guy wrote, it�s precisely because written English isn�t phonetic that knowledge of phonetics helps.

It�s quite elementary, no?


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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting back to the OP, I concur with Young Frankenstein. There's a good number of Filipinos teaching English here, but your friend does need a degree in English or English Education, and they might be getting paid as much as if they were from one of the 7 countries. Go to any KOTESOL or other teacher related conference and you will see Filipino teachers there.
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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: There were at KOTESOL Reply with quote

I saw a group of Pinays at the last KOTESOL conference.
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willneverteachagain



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i doubt u could get a job in korea as a foreign teacher. they dont care if you speak perfect english (as most phils people do), they only care if you dont look asian. It might have changed in the past few years but i doubt it. I heard that koreans think of the phils as the "little brother" and that parents would have serious problems with someone from the phils teaching their "kids"
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vino-luvva



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O.K the reality is that MANY non native english speakers teach here. I have met morocans, Iranians, Philipinos and even a few africans whom are teaching english here..Yes really! There is a huge demand for teachers and basically these folk just get some bullsh//t story sorted ( e.g..my roots are blah blah but I was born in the US or wherever ) They make up fake resumes, and its that easy..
It seems that it is very rare that the kindy, school, hogwon etc will check ones passport if its for part time work. Generally these guys and gals then do visa runs on holiday visas. Sure there would be some risk..but most of the illegals caught and put in detention here, were sprung by immigration at the 'factories' they were working in, and.. or have expired visas. Infact I had a pal from Ghana whom got arrested at a factory recently..he was NOT fined, and he did NOT have to go to court, but yes he was deported and did have to buy his own ticket back to Ghana. Its seems that if your arrested and are from a so-called developed country, then its assumed you have plently of money to pay a fine, otherwise you more than likely will not.
So I guess you could say that if your pal wants to take the risk..then he will most certainly NOt be the only one whom will be doing this.
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