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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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 Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: State Secret? |
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Exposing illegal government action not ethical, it's criminal.
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...The Memo and the Players
According to sources familiar with the case, the classified government memo, consisting of minutes of an April, 2004 meeting between UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush, described a disagreement between the two leaders over plans to silence anti-US sentiments in the middle-east.
The memo alleges that President Bush expressed his frustration with al-Jazeera, which is the equivalent of a large broadcast news company such as CNN and has a viewership of 50 million, and wanted to bomb their headquarters using US bombers stationed nearby... |
How does this rise to the level of State Secret? Yes, it was secret, but in what way does it protect national security? Doesn't allowing the leaders of nations to act illegally without impunity risk national security?
Further, it is still suspected that the US had already taken out the AL Jazeera offices in Baghdad. (Also illegal and a war crime, if so.) |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: Re: State Secret? |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
Exposing illegal government action not ethical, it's criminal.
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...The Memo and the Players
According to sources familiar with the case, the classified government memo, consisting of minutes of an April, 2004 meeting between UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush, described a disagreement between the two leaders over plans to silence anti-US sentiments in the middle-east.
The memo alleges that President Bush expressed his frustration with al-Jazeera, which is the equivalent of a large broadcast news company such as CNN and has a viewership of 50 million, and wanted to bomb their headquarters using US bombers stationed nearby... |
How does this rise to the level of State Secret? Yes, it was secret, but in what way does it protect national security? Doesn't allowing the leaders of nations to act illegally without impunity risk national security?
Further, it is still suspected that the US had already taken out the AL Jazeera offices in Baghdad. (Also illegal and a war crime, if so.) |
It really does take someone of your ilk to back Al Jazeera, a "media outlet" Goebbels would be proud of. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: Re: State Secret? |
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| jinju wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
Exposing illegal government action not ethical, it's criminal.
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...The Memo and the Players
According to sources familiar with the case, the classified government memo, consisting of minutes of an April, 2004 meeting between UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush, described a disagreement between the two leaders over plans to silence anti-US sentiments in the middle-east.
The memo alleges that President Bush expressed his frustration with al-Jazeera, which is the equivalent of a large broadcast news company such as CNN and has a viewership of 50 million, and wanted to bomb their headquarters using US bombers stationed nearby... |
How does this rise to the level of State Secret? Yes, it was secret, but in what way does it protect national security? Doesn't allowing the leaders of nations to act illegally without impunity risk national security?
Further, it is still suspected that the US had already taken out the AL Jazeera offices in Baghdad. (Also illegal and a war crime, if so.) |
It really does take someone of your ilk to back Al Jazeera, a "media outlet" Goebbels would be proud of. |
I saw your handle as the respondent and knew the correct response before opening the thread, "Blah, blah, blah."
So, I guess by reciprocation I am forced to state: It takes one of your ilk to lie about what was presented. Where, pray tell, did I state any opinion whatsoever of AL Jazeera, let alone support? This begs the question, Do they let high school kids teach English in Korea? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:07 am Post subject: Re: State Secret? |
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I saw your handle as the respondent and knew the correct response before opening the thread, "Blah, blah, blah." |
Good for you. But claiming psychic ability puts you in IGTG's mental health bracket...though he is your sock, or you are his...or who knows who the split personality really is, eh?
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| So, I guess by reciprocation I am forced to state: It takes one of your ilk to lie about what was presented. |
Your words are there for all to read.
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| Where, pray tell, did I state any opinion whatsoever of AL Jazeera, let alone support? |
Here:
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| Further, it is still suspected that the US had already taken out the AL Jazeera offices in Baghdad. (Also illegal and a war crime, if so.) |
Taking out Al Jazeera is as much a war crime as taking out Goebbels. Taking offense to it is as bad as doing the old Heil Hitler salute. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: Re: State Secret? |
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| jinju wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
I saw your handle as the respondent and knew the correct response before opening the thread, "Blah, blah, blah." |
Good for you. But claiming psychic ability puts you in IGTG's mental health bracket...though he is your sock, or you are his...or who knows who the split personality really is, eh?
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| So, I guess by reciprocation I am forced to state: It takes one of your ilk to lie about what was presented. |
Your words are there for all to read.
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| Where, pray tell, did I state any opinion whatsoever of AL Jazeera, let alone support? |
Here:
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| Further, it is still suspected that the US had already taken out the AL Jazeera offices in Baghdad. (Also illegal and a war crime, if so.) |
Taking out Al Jazeera is as much a war crime as taking out Goebbels. Taking offense to it is as bad as doing the old Heil Hitler salute. |
It amazes me people like you even exist... and that you say taking out Goebbels is pretty bizarre given you advocate his ideals.
Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to claim that saying it is illegal for a president to bomb a TV station in a friendly nation equals supporting the beliefs and policies of that station? Further, how stupid do you have to be to see how completely against American law and American principles that is?
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Godwin's Law has been violated in this thread. Somebody alert Gopher. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| Godwin's Law has been violated in this thread. Somebody alert Gopher. |
I posted. He'll be along presently with his dolls. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: Re: State Secret? |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
Exposing illegal government action not ethical, it's criminal.
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...The Memo and the Players
According to sources familiar with the case, the classified government memo, consisting of minutes of an April, 2004 meeting between UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush, described a disagreement between the two leaders over plans to silence anti-US sentiments in the middle-east.
The memo alleges that President Bush expressed his frustration with al-Jazeera, which is the equivalent of a large broadcast news company such as CNN and has a viewership of 50 million, and wanted to bomb their headquarters using US bombers stationed nearby... |
How does this rise to the level of State Secret? Yes, it was secret, but in what way does it protect national security? Doesn't allowing the leaders of nations to act illegally without impunity risk national security?
Further, it is still suspected that the US had already taken out the AL Jazeera offices in Baghdad. (Also illegal and a war crime, if so.) |
Baghdad Al Jazeera wasnt destroyed, how ever it was offline temporarily after the USAF dropped a carbon filament bomb on it which knocked out alot of electronics but only temproarily. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: State Secret? |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
Exposing illegal government action not ethical, it's criminal.
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...The Memo and the Players
According to sources familiar with the case, the classified government memo, consisting of minutes of an April, 2004 meeting between UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush, described a disagreement between the two leaders over plans to silence anti-US sentiments in the middle-east.
The memo alleges that President Bush expressed his frustration with al-Jazeera, which is the equivalent of a large broadcast news company such as CNN and has a viewership of 50 million, and wanted to bomb their headquarters using US bombers stationed nearby... |
How does this rise to the level of State Secret? Yes, it was secret, but in what way does it protect national security? Doesn't allowing the leaders of nations to act illegally without impunity risk national security?
Further, it is still suspected that the US had already taken out the AL Jazeera offices in Baghdad. (Also illegal and a war crime, if so.) |
Baghdad Al Jazeera wasnt destroyed, how ever it was offline temporarily after the USAF dropped a carbon filament bomb on it which knocked out alot of electronics but only temproarily. |
You post this as an FYI, or are you trying to justify it as just a "little" illegal? Interesting it was a carbon filament bomb, no? After all, they claimed it was an accident... hmm.... |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| Godwin's Law has been violated in this thread. Somebody alert Gopher. |
Hmmmmmm ... odd how this "Jin-ju" character reminds me so much of just plain ol' Joo.
My sense is "Jin" ju knocks back a couple terribly stiff drinks before he posts, whereas his alter-ego "Joo" prefers to play his manical role a little more straight & sober  |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Several people and not just jinjuvitus, bad mouthing Al Jezeera on this thread. So I thought I'd chime in, in defense.
First, don't spout off the usually diatribe. Watch it for yourself. I do, alongside CNN and it is incredible to just watch the same titled program on both shows, "Inside Iraq". Cnn is just pap, without a diversity of views presented. Al Jezeera last week had all U.S. commentators, debating live -- not just showing some video feed.
Further, after much viewing, I think Al Jezeera is a real god send. I don't believe all it shows/pronounces but atleast it really covers the globe and really shows the diversity of human expression/culture. Not just a watered down, "we save the world" formulaic scree.
I think Al Jezeera shows some of the best documentaries out there. Check it out here, free viewing (unlike CNN). Just showing how others are in the world. My fav. recently is the Barber from Mosul but this morning also watched an interesting Witness program about a group of Laotian girls who were sent to a Chinese school . Awesome.
Quit bad mouthing Al J. , you are just following the party line and not sticking to the truth.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4F5D894E-BFF6-4E21-A7A1-3AC6C336E3A8.htm
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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I think Al Jezeera shows some of the best documentaries out there. |
Didn't they show a documentary glorifying North Korea recently? As I said: Islamist Goebbels |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Didn't they show a documentary glorifying North Korea recently? As I said: Islamist Goebbels |
"glorifying" is a subjective term. Barbara Walters? Does that ring a bell? Also glorification?
The point is that we shouldn't take the Archie Bunker approach to our own awareness and just divide the media along some illusionary ideological and agenda ridden line. And as I said, watch it and you'll find a lot there that is "enlightened" as well as the regular swill. But less so than many networks in my opinion.
The greatest thing about America is her "rugged individualism". What this truly means is that we, each individual, decide for ourself - right and wrong. We don't swallow others partyline pronouncements. This critical faculty has been a light America has shown over the world for a long time. This light is dimming at present and your attitude, is a testament to that....
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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For the record, Bush likely had it right re: Al Jazeera.
In the name of freedom, democracy, liberty, justice & truth, Oceania should have bombed those:
" ... dangerous hate-filled bigotted nazi islamick Goebel fascist pedophile crack pot paper hanger liars & thieves."
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