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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:
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Canadians and the Canadian government seem to think that Canada is a wonderful place but its sad really...so many lives ruined, so much time wasted and in the end so much talent wasted...both the immigrants and Canada loose out in the long run.I wish the system could be changed and that every immigrant could get a fair deal and Canadian interests could be safeguarded but I don't think its going to happen anytime soon.


http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/forum_2.asp


I know the guy whose post is 3rd down on that page. Strangey. Ironically, he just left Korea teaching at a university.
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beast



Joined: 28 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Large selection of turbans in Canada.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
Canada is a great country, it is just hard to get a good job. It is hard for people born and raised in Canada to get good jobs, let alone immigrants. I think they should be treated better than they are when it comes to their education and they shouldn't be misled, but who is doing the misleading? But at the same time, they shouldn't just be expecting to get a good job (I am sure most aren't, but I am just saying).

Canada is not a country for rich people. It is a country of middle-class people. I would love to see what percentage of the population is middle-class, it must be huge. If you want to make your millions, move south of the border. If you want to live a good life and be content with making $50,000 a year, Canada is fantastic.

Also, Canada is not expensive. Name a place with a similar level of development that is cheaper. (Australia could possibly answer this, but I really have no idea)


Very good points, Ajgeddes.

Our homeland is a lovely country and its anti-foriegner professional reality should be exposed to the rest of the world's doctors, lawyers, accountants, et-al before they take that proverbial leap into The Great White North.

Thanks for the post.

R
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4 months left



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First we are glad Jinju doesn't want to live there. You can make money there if you work hard like any country, too many people want money for nothing so that's why they stay in Korea and sing its praises, for example Jinju.

A lot of immigrants come with worthless degrees like Koreans who drink in University. Oh, I 'm a cab driver and I have a degree in my country, ya well your degree isn't worth the paper it is written on.

Canada is a place where a high school graduate or tradesman can make a half decent living and where the average uni. grad might not make great money but that is true of the U.S., Britain, Aus. and NZ.

If you want ot make money get off your a$$ and work for it.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatsby wrote:
Well, Canada sure is a nice place to visit. Especially if you are coming from the U.S.

The towns and cities look so more attractive, better urban planning and far less blight. You don't see the sort of horrifying poverty that you can see in some U.S. cities.

Try going to most cities in Connecticut or Pennsylvania. It is embarrasing to consider what a foreigner must think. The odd part is that once you get out of the cities, things look pretty good.

There may be problems in Canada, but I think they are worse in many parts of the U.S. It is not just the way things look; it is the attitudes, the sense of hopelessness and helplessness you see in the urban lower class, as well as the rest of the population to a lesser extent. There are a lot of people who seem to have given up hope of having much control over their life, or control over their government.

They are alienated.

I don't see that when I visit Canada. It gives me hope that the problem is not in humanity, but in the United States.


Did you go to Trinity College or Wesleyan or Connecticut College, University ofConnecticutt or Yale University?

East Hartford, New Britain, Waterbury, most areas of Middletown, and East GREENWICH, etc., are not included in the stereotypical foreigner's idea of Connecticut and all that it's supposed to offer the world.

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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crusher_of_heads wrote:
Jean Chretien repeatedly said that Canada was the greatest country in the world.

If you cannot believe the greatest Prime Minister in Canadian history, then you're just sad.

You got it wrong. Trudeau was the greatest PM.
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
crusher_of_heads wrote:
Jean Chretien repeatedly said that Canada was the greatest country in the world.

If you cannot believe the greatest Prime Minister in Canadian history, then you're just sad.

You got it wrong. Trudeau was the greatest PM.

Never!

Sir John Thompson was Canada's greatest leader and I shall meet any of you knaves at dawn, with matchlocks drawn, who claims otherwise!
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of you are missing the point.

The immigration system is hopelessly broken. It is broken for the same reason that you are all in Korea.

Canada has an identity problem. We want to have a high-tech, service oriented, knowledge economy but we don't. We import high-tech, knowledgeable people but do not need them. But have tens of thousands of kids in uni who should not be there and are not needed in the economy upon graduation. They have thousands of dollars in debt that permanently stunt their financial well-being.

Canada needs strong backs, not strong minds. Canada need plumbers, not liberal arts grads. Canada needs welders, not immigrant management consultants.

And the professions that do need high-skilled workers are regulated in a way that foreign workers are largely unable to gain entry. Think law and medicine, two professions with wildly overpaid people. A little foreign competition would bring down those wages and benefit "Canadians" greatly.

But our immigration policy is based upon a white guilt that has birthed a multicultural fantasy of cities run by people in multicolored moomoos. And objection to this is quickly denounced as racist.

Canada is a soft-totalitarian country. Meaningful change is fully impossible.

Ours is a deeply cynical, bitter, envious society that survives due to the twin effects of rigid political correctness in all aspects of thought and an arrogant conditioning from DAY1 in the school system that teachers that we are "better" that others.

But most importantly, our immigration and post-secondary education system is based upon our belief that our economy is as well developed as the United States. And. It. Isn't.

The Canadian economy involves digging up the country and throwing it across the border in exchange for little green IOU's.
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alex83



Joined: 03 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I immigrated to Canada with my family 18 years ago. My parents are both engineers by trade and, initially, it was very hard for them to get any kind of job. A few years later, when things picked up, they got taxed half to death. Yes, when you're an immigrant, you need to work twice as hard as everyone else just to get ahead...but is that supposed to be shocking??

We Canadians know that Canada has A LOT of problems (only one of which is the immigrant issue) and is highly over-rated throughout the world for many things. I always laugh when people (usually Americans) talk about our "great" health care system. Those of us who have needed health care in Canada know better.

All this being said, Canada still treats its immigrants way better than most of the world. Sure, there's some covert bigotry every now and again, but less than most places in my opinion.

Take Korea, for instance. Here, people talk openly (sometimes to your face) about their hatred or opposition of immigrants. In Canada, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone calling an immigrant "foreigner."
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bubbleboy



Joined: 22 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:03 am    Post subject: Its the Provinces! Reply with quote

The problem is the PROVINCES. All professional jobs are regulated individually by the provinces (Ontario Professional Accountants, Professional Engineers of Alberta etc.) and in Canada you legally need a licence to be an engineer, doctor, plumber, carpenter, accountant etc. All the provincial regulatory bodies are unwilling to accept foriegn credentials and grant immigrants licences because they don't want to create too much competition within their fields and create an oversupply. They are only bound to accept professionals trained in Canada - not pple trained overseas.

The provincial governments are too complacent and are not getting tough on the licensing bodies.

In the early eighties (when my family immigrated), my dad's engineering degree had to be formally recognized by the Professional Engineers of Ontario AND he had to have a job offer before we could qualify for immigration. Nowadays, the Fed's are handing out "instant-immigration" right away without recognition of degrees or job offers.

The federal government creates its immigration policies without consulting the provinces, because they all hate each other and don't get along. The system is completely disfunctional and needs a complete overhaul. The feds are only bringing in immigrants so our population doesn't decline, they could care less about whether Canada needs their expertise or not.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The medium (50th percentile) net worth in America is....$20,000.

That means 50% of American families have a net worth of $20,000 or less.

3.5% of Americans are millionaires.

The median net worth of the top 25% richest Americans is $150,000. And, the richest 5% skew this number up.

conclusion? Most Americans are not at all wealthy. America is the land of the haves and have nots. Most Americans are living paycheque to paycheque, on a pile of easy to borrow money.

By the way, the average house price in Canada is $330,000. The average house price in Vancouver is over $500,000, and Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto are all close to half a mil. Hardly middle class numbers. Don't be decieved. Canadians as a whole enjoy an exceptional quality of life.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aw. Boo hoo. Apu didn't have a job handed to him on a silver platter. Really brings a tear to my eye. Then he says that he scammed all he could out of the Canadian government to go to much better America where if he gets into a huge accident and needs medical care, he'll be crying about those costs and somehow try to go back over the border to take care of it.

A really sad story.
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada has the Queen of England as thier monarch.


The USA doesn't.


It is clear which is the better, more mature and democratic state, and that includes immigration policies.
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kimchi story



Joined: 23 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Its the Provinces! Reply with quote

bubbleboy wrote:
The problem is the PROVINCES. All professional jobs are regulated individually by the provinces (Ontario Professional Accountants, Professional Engineers of Alberta etc.) and in Canada you legally need a licence to be an engineer, doctor, plumber, carpenter, accountant etc. All the provincial regulatory bodies are unwilling to accept foriegn credentials and grant immigrants licences because they don't want to create too much competition within their fields and create an oversupply. They are only bound to accept professionals trained in Canada - not pple trained overseas.


That's very true, and it screws up Canadian professionals as much as it screws up immigrants. A teacher moving from Ontario to BC can expect a few months of down time before their credentials are officially recognized, if they are officially recognized without a semester of upgrading.

Moving to Canada without first making sure your credentials are recognized by the regulatory bodies in your profession is like coming to Korea without first confirming you eligibility for an E2.

Like bubbleboy is suggesting, I think the pressure needs to be put on the provincial regulatory bodies in order to fix this immigration glitch.
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