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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
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| I hope this isn't true, because I really like the burgers there. But I would feel weird going up to the guy and saying "Hey, I heard you hate foreigners. Is that true?" I like the burgers there and the ones at th Rocky Mountain Tavern. I don't like the ones at TGIF that much, because the staff doesn't seem to understand the words "well done". |
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| I really liked Thunder Burger's burgers. |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| I really liked Thunder Burger's burgers. |
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| I went there with someone else one time and we both liked their burgers |
Now here's a man who likes himself some Thunder Burger. |
Yeah, I liked the burgers at Thunder Burger, but I won't enter the establishment since a foreigner said he was beaten there. I know serious xenophobia is out there. I passed by the other day, and I didn't go there.
I went to Cafe Istanbul run by a nice Aussie and a Korean. I don't care about the nationality of an owner. They just can't be xenophobic, wife beaters, people who beat foreigners etc...
As far as Lotteria, I only tried their Frico Burger. I actually like it, and so did a friend from Newfoundland. The European burger was all right.
However, many Korean style burgers I find to be repulsive. There is a certain sweet sauce that they sometimes add that makes you not think you are eating a hamburger. Koreans have more a sweet tooth than Westerners, I think.
When I passed by Thunder Burger, there was pretty much no one there.
Too bad for the owner, he has lost a lot of potential business, because he has been accused of racism and beating up a foreigner. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| Yeah, I liked the burgers at Thunder Burger, but I won't enter the establishment since a foreigner said he was beaten there. |
Dude, people say all KINDS of stuff here. Some of it is even true. Some.
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| However, many Korean style burgers I find to be repulsive. There is a certain sweet sauce that they sometimes add that makes you not think you are eating a hamburger. Koreans have more a sweet tooth than Westerners, I think. |
You're probably talking about what is called a bulgogi burger. It's about halfway to what we would call teriyaki back home. Even McDonald's makes them, I think.
Generally, though, Koreans have far LESS of a sweet tooth than westerners. Go into a Korean bakery and buy a cake. You'll see what I mean.
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| Too bad for the owner, he has lost a lot of potential business, because he has been accused of racism and beating up a foreigner. |
Yeah, too bad, because despite the long number of pages on this thread, I've yet to notice any documentation or any kind of proof of the incident described in the OP, despite the fact that several people have asked to see something like that.
And we complain about Korean "netizens" ...
Haven't tried their burgers, just don't get out to itaewon that much these days ... when I do, I 'm more interested in Indian or Middle Eastern food. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| I know serious xenophobia is out there. |
Out where? There's plenty of it here on Dave's. |
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| Yeah, I liked the burgers at Thunder Burger, but I won't enter the establishment since a foreigner said he was beaten there. |
Dude, people say all KINDS of stuff here. Some of it is even true. Some.
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| However, many Korean style burgers I find to be repulsive. There is a certain sweet sauce that they sometimes add that makes you not think you are eating a hamburger. Koreans have more a sweet tooth than Westerners, I think. |
You're probably talking about what is called a bulgogi burger. It's about halfway to what we would call teriyaki back home. Even McDonald's makes them, I think.
Generally, though, Koreans have far LESS of a sweet tooth than westerners. Go into a Korean bakery and buy a cake. You'll see what I mean.
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| Too bad for the owner, he has lost a lot of potential business, because he has been accused of racism and beating up a foreigner. |
Yeah, too bad, because despite the long number of pages on this thread, I've yet to notice any documentation or any kind of proof of the incident described in the OP, despite the fact that several people have asked to see something like that.
And we complain about Korean "netizens" ...
Haven't tried their burgers, just don't get out to itaewon that much these days ... when I do, I 'm more interested in Indian or Middle Eastern food. |
I agree that that they don't like extremely sweet things, but things are stil generally much sweeter here than in Western countries. If you go into a bakery, you may not find any ultra sweet cakes, but everything will be sweet. Things like bread and sandwiches are sweeter here, and it's difficult to find any truly savoury items, like pasties. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| The difference between us and the netizens is koreans have "news" agencies to address grievances, as well as being natives to the country. We are outsiders, and so when something happens that seems clearly racist, we jump on the wagon. It's one incident, perhaps one-sided, but if you own a business that caters to foreigners and you do something so seemingly repugnant, prepare to meet the wrath of Dave's. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| I agree that that they don't like extremely sweet things, but things are stil generally much sweeter here than in Western countries. If you go into a bakery, you may not find any ultra sweet cakes, but everything will be sweet. Things like bread and sandwiches are sweeter here, and it's difficult to find any truly savoury items, like pasties. |
Ok, I gave you over two weeks to figure out the truth and come back and edit what you said. Didn't help.
Ask any Korean person who has been to N America or Europe. Ask them if bakeries here make things as sweet as they do back where we come from. Ask them why. They will tell you that Korean people just don't like sweet things as much as we do. It's just a fact. Science. Check it out and you wul will see. |
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MCSM
Joined: 20 Apr 2007
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| The night of the living thread. |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote:
I know serious xenophobia is out there.
Out where? There's plenty of it here on Dave's. |
However, most of Dave's posters don't make a habit of going postal on other people in public, let alone actual customers to a store we own.
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| Ask any Korean person who has been to N America or Europe. Ask them if bakeries here make things as sweet as they do back where we come from. Ask them why. They will tell you that Korean people just don't like sweet things as much as we do. It's just a fact. Science. Check it out and you wul will see. |
If it's a fact and science then surely you have a study and some information to back that up Bobster. The sheer number of bakeries and the rising number of fat Koreans indicate that they do indeed quite like sweet things. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| Ask any Korean person who has been to N America or Europe. Ask them if bakeries here make things as sweet as they do back where we come from. Ask them why. They will tell you that Korean people just don't like sweet things as much as we do. It's just a fact. Science. Check it out and you wul will see. |
So, sweet potato on pizza, sweet pickle as a side dish, sweet cream on your bagel, and sugar on your egg sandwich are all myths? |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry I got in on this late. I hate to keep harping on this score but fact is this kind of situation would NEVER happen in China, the Philippines, or Thailand--three places I'm quite familiar with.
Speaks volumes about some (not all) Koreans, methinks.
Is this guy emotionally unstable?
In the Philippines they call this "running amok" but it wouldn't happen over something like this, that's for sure. And it usually has to "stew" for a long time.
NOTE: I've had no time to read past the 1st page of this thread.
For those of us getting aboard late, can the OP please tell us what provoked the owner to do this?
I must say that if this had happened to me that owner would have been eating concrete for dinner. A bit of wushu and a sucker punch would do the trick. |
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flint
Joined: 11 Apr 2004
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| butlerian wrote: |
| I agree that that they don't like extremely sweet things, but things are stil generally much sweeter here than in Western countries. If you go into a bakery, you may not find any ultra sweet cakes, but everything will be sweet. Things like bread and sandwiches are sweeter here, and it's difficult to find any truly savoury items, like pasties. |
Ok, I gave you over two weeks to figure out the truth and come back and edit what you said. Didn't help.
Ask any Korean person who has been to N America or Europe. Ask them if bakeries here make things as sweet as they do back where we come from. Ask them why. They will tell you that Korean people just don't like sweet things as much as we do. It's just a fact. Science. Check it out and you wul will see. |
You gave him two weeks? A little full of ourself aren't we?
I did a little fact finding talking with Korean co-workers, friends, and on my walk home last night.
Fact: You can buy roast potatoes from street vendors and they come doused in salt AND sugar.
Fact: You can buy corndogs that are coated in sugar.
Fact: Koreans, especially the kids, LOVE the stuff this way. The woman at the stand couldn't seem to believe that I didn't want sugar on my potatoes.
Fact: When Koreans buy bread from Tous Le Jour and Paris Baget it is usually the sweeter breads, or the ones with that sickeningly sweet cream filling.
Fact: The butter you get at most restaurants is that sweet creamy butter. If you get a baked potato, it has sweet butter. If you get bread it comes with sweet butter or honey butter.
From this one can easily infer that ... wait for it .. here it comes ... Korean's like to eat sweet things. Things sweeter than westerner's like.
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| It's just a fact. Science. Check it out and you wul will see. |
It's science Bobster? Jeeze, give me a break.
Of course another fact is that this whole argument about who likes sweeter stuff is kind of stupid and way off the topic of the thread. If I wasn't bored, and Bobster's reply to Butlerian didn't sound so pretentious, I wouldn't have wasted my time chiming in. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that that they don't like extremely sweet things, but things are stil generally much sweeter here than in Western countries. If you go into a bakery, you may not find any ultra sweet cakes, but everything will be sweet. Things like bread and sandwiches are sweeter here, and it's difficult to find any truly savoury items, like pasties. |
I can't believe Westerners have more of a sweet tooth. Have you tasted the pizzas here? They are so darn sweet. In the West, there is a hint of saltiness. Not in Korea. The yogurt is not plain even when it says plain, so I am not really sold on that notion that Koreans don't have a sweet tooth as well. |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Korea
Korean food, in general, is defined by bold and spicy flavors. One way toddlers learn to handle the heat, is by eating lots and lots of kimchi, a pickled vegetable dish containing generous amounts of chili powder. Chinese cabbage, radish, garlic, onions, and sometimes seafood are other popular ingredients in this quintessential Korean dish. Another staple, kim bab, consists of rice and small portions of vegetables wrapped in nori (seaweed sheets). It's similar to the Japanese maki roll, but with the exception of the distinct smell of sesame oil, and these popular fillers: spinach, eggs, cucumber, and kimchi.
Other Favorites: Bibimbab is white rice topped with beef, vegetables, and a fried egg -- and lots of chili pepper sauce. Nongshim is a brand of spicy Korean ramen noodles, usually cooked with eggs and onions.
Sweet Tooth Satisfiers: "There is more junk food in Korea than in America," laments one parent. Koreans eat a wide variety of candy and ice cream. Melon bars made from honeydew, and Popsicles are also popular.
Tanveer Badal is a writer living in Brooklyn, New York.
Originally published in American Baby magazine, December 2005.
http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/raisingkids/articlebhg.aspx?cp-documentid=436024 |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: |
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U.S. confectionery sweetens exports to South Korea
AgExporter, Dec, 2004 by Seh Won Kim
In 2003, South Koreans indulged a national sweet tooth when 49 million consumers spent $1.8 billion on confectionery products. Of this amount, $167 million worth were imported. The United States led the way with $40.9 million in sales, for a 24.5-percent import share, followed by China (14 percent) and Australia (7 percent).
Chocolates, Demographics
Though sales tend to be seasonal, ever-popular chocolates made up almost 70 percent of U.S. confectionery sales to South Korea in calendar 2003.
Valentine's Day sales account for 60 percent of chocolates sold in the country, with demand also up during White Day season in March. Marketing for these holidays takes into account that on February 14, female consumers present their significant others or male friends with gifts, but on March 14, the tables are turned and male consumers are on the giving end. In March, gifts often include white candy or chocolates. Other important candy-giving holidays include Christmas in December and university entrance examinations in November.
Short-term overall growth prospects for the South Korean confectionery market are healthy, as evidenced by a 4-percent increase in sales from 2002 to 2003. A falling birth rate, however, is expected to eventually reduce consumption by the 10- to 19-year-old age group. Suppliers should plan accordingly.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3723/is_12_16/ai_n15386675
This was 4 years ago. I'd say things are much "worse" now Bobster. Where is this science? |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| However, most of Dave's posters don't make a habit of going postal on other people in public, let alone actual customers to a store we own. |
However Guri...Corporal has a very valid point as the endless line of threads bashing Korean men or Koreans in general will attest to. I suppose bashing Koreans is not xenophobia at all...nawww its just healthy venting...
It is true most posters here do not physically attack anyone in Korea. But, the racism and double standard is alive an well and I think this is what Corporal was alluding to. |
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