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Will you date someone who eats dogs?
I eat dogs myself.
49%
 49%  [ 31 ]
I don't eat dogs my self but am happy to date someone who does.
22%
 22%  [ 14 ]
I will try to ask them not to eat dogs either, then date them
4%
 4%  [ 3 ]
I won't date someone who eats dogs, but am happy to be friends with them
15%
 15%  [ 10 ]
I will not make friends with those who eat dogs.
7%
 7%  [ 5 ]
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you meant ethics all along, why have you been talking about morality? Did you think they were the same thing?

Actually, you haven't even come close to even starting to present an argument, so any notion "debunking" is just, um, bunk. Sort of amusing, really. Where's your argument? I don't see it. It isn't there. That's why you resort so easily to insulting me on a personal level (and my dog, too, by the way, which I don't appreciate at all).

You think that dogs are better than other animals. Why? Well, because you think so. You seem to be a scientist sufficiently knowledgeable that you can say that dogs feel more pain than silkworms, but you've given no evidence, and with all your talk of "morality," the quantifiable nature of pain ought not matter at all. If it's about the ethics of inflicting pain to get food, any pain at all would be too much.

I'm not an expert, and I won't claim to be one, but I do know that the last time I had wang sayoo gooey, the prawns were brought live and wriggling to the skillet on the table, and those little guys tried their best to get out of the skillet. They did not want to die, they did not want to be dinner. Oh, they had very definite opinions about that. But their wishes were not part of the equation that evening. See, I was hungry and they were delicious. That's really all there is to it.

You say that the way dogs are killed is cruel, and of course it is, but when you are told that cruelty exists in most forms of livestock slaughter, you are unfazed, and I think the reason is that the cruelty is not really an issue with you.

You make yourself look weak with all the petty insults, and believe me, they are petty. I've been gone after by folks much better at it than you, and, in your case, it makes your whole position look extremely untenable.

Everything I've said has been factual, and I've shared more here that is relevant than you have. You're all involved with your ego. Get over it.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Bobster them prawns can't cuddle up next to you and lick your toes the way us dogs can. They can't fetch your slippers, your newspaper, jump into bed with you and snuggle up next to you the way we can. Dogs are special man, we want to be with you all the time. Prawns do NOT, in fact, they prefer hanging out with their own kind. We only care about loving YOU! Remember that bro! Razz
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jaderedux



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So by that logic, it would be simply a matter of choice if I were to chop you up and eat you. You are made of meat afterall.


Rugby players eat their dead! Donner pass folks chowed down on each other. So well yes sometimes meat is meat.

Unless you are a vegan and eat no meat what so ever you HAVE NO LEG TO STAND ON! So cute animals get a pass, Man's best friend yes dogs are somewhat domesticated but guess what do you think for one moment if it came down to it your dog wouldn't freaking eat you. Sorry but they are descendants of wolves and yes they are loyal so are cats, snakes and any other animal you feed.

Who gets to pick the "cute" animals that get to be our friends and who gets to pick the ugly ones that get to die and be eaten. I know people who have ferrets for pets, chickens for pets, my brother has a snake...I used to have 3 cats and man's best friend mauled and ate some of my cat. Man's best friend was lucky I didn't have time to load my gun as my cat was sitting on my porch when he was attacked.

I love animals but some are tasty and some aren't don't worry it will all come out in the wash. Native Americans frequently ate dog in the past until well they were wiped out and it was considered not nice so now they don't.

Good lord people with all real tragedies and such you all are arguing morality and high ground about some Koreans eating a dog. Be glad you aren't a woman in Pakistan now that sucks. So don't eat dog and leave the rest of us alone.

Jade
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pastis



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
If you meant ethics all along, why have you been talking about morality? Did you think they were the same thing?

Of course they are you f-king moron. You need to quit posting and hit the books.

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Actually, you haven't even come close to even starting to present an argument, so any notion "debunking" is just, um, bunk. Sort of amusing, really. Where's your argument? I don't see it. It isn't there. That's why you resort so easily to insulting me on a personal level (and my dog, too, by the way, which I don't appreciate at all).

You are not even remotely worth respecting. Neither is your epileptic dog.

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You think that dogs are better than other animals. Why? Well, because you think so. You seem to be a scientist sufficiently knowledgeable that you can say that dogs feel more pain than silkworms, but you've given no evidence, and with all your talk of "morality," the quantifiable nature of pain ought not matter at all. If it's about the ethics of inflicting pain to get food, any pain at all would be too much.

I've already explained this.

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I'm not an expert, and I won't claim to be one, but I do know that the last time I had wang sayoo gooey, the prawns were brought live and wriggling to the skillet on the table, and those little guys tried their best to get out of the skillet. They did not want to die, they did not want to be dinner. Oh, they had very definite opinions about that. But their wishes were not part of the equation that evening. See, I was hungry and they were delicious. That's really all there is to it.

You certainly are no expert. You are completely lacking, mentally.

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You say that the way dogs are killed is cruel, and of course it is, but when you are told that cruelty exists in most forms of livestock slaughter, you are unfazed, and I think the reason is that the cruelty is not really an issue with you.

I am a vegetarian. You haven't listened to anything.

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You make yourself look weak with all the petty insults, and believe me, they are petty. I've been gone after by folks much better at it than you, and, in your case, it makes your whole position look extremely untenable.

My insults really got to you. I can tell. Smile

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Everything I've said has been factual, and I've shared more here that is relevant than you have. You're all involved with your ego. Get over it

Everything you have said has been the biggest load of crap possible. You are a grade A ignoramous.
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pastis



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaderedux wrote:
Unless you are a vegan and eat no meat what so ever you HAVE NO LEG TO STAND ON!

Well, I don't eat any mammals. Or even seafood (don't like the taste). But I'll be damned if I care what happens to silkworms, however (or "the Bobster"'s epileptic mut for that matter).
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't understand how people get so worked up over the fate of a comparatively small number of dogs. People who are vocally opposed to the eating of dogs will simply not have much credibility until they are equally vocal about the consumption of other animal products.

I mean, let's take a look at some other animals who have been slaughtered or tortured orders of magnitude more than dogs.

Chickens: Ok, I grant, they generally aren't pets, and are kinda dumb. Still, we (not me personally) kill chickens by the millions each year for the meat, and egg-laying chickens live in tortuous conditions.

Pigs: Pigs, or so I've heard, are actually smarter than dogs. Some people keep them as pets. Yet, millions of more pigs die each year than dogs.

Cows: We both kill cows for food and keep them locked up and manipulated (some might say tortured) to produce milk.

And, despite the fact that these 3 animals have been slaughtered and tortured an overwhelming number of times more than dogs, you won't see threads about them started up every week on this website like you will threads about dogs.

That is the only problem I have with people who are against eating dogs.
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Scott in Incheon



Joined: 30 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Bobster wrote:
If you meant ethics all along, why have you been talking about morality? Did you think they were the same thing
?

Of course they are you f-king moron. You need to quit posting and hit the books.


You know...for all your insults...you don't seem to be right too often...I can't find any source on the net which agrees with your statement. Everyone else sees a difference between ethics and moraity. You really need to lay off the insults. Bobster is right...your petty attempts to feel big by putting others down does erodes your own position.

You haven't back anything up.

Bobster might think that morals come from a religious source. I might think that morals were learned through experience and then attributed to a religilous source.

You have...and you admit it...no idea where morality comes from and don't care..but you know that somehow it has been hardwired into every human and is just waiting to be discovered through a series of epiphanies. You can't quite explain why the English realized that the slavery of their own people was immoral before they realized the slavery of others was immoral...apparently it was two separate epiphanies.

Personally, I think it would be nice if you could make one post where you both argued your position thoughtfully and didn't resort to insulting anyone...it really just makes you look small.
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pastis



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott in Incheon wrote:
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The Bobster wrote:
If you meant ethics all along, why have you been talking about morality? Did you think they were the same thing
?

Of course they are you f-king moron. You need to quit posting and hit the books.


You know...for all your insults...you don't seem to be right too often...I can't find any source on the net which agrees with your statement. Everyone else sees a difference between ethics and moraity. You really need to lay off the insults. Bobster is right...your petty attempts to feel big by putting others down does erodes your own position.

You haven't back anything up.

Bobster might think that morals come from a religious source. I might think that morals were learned through experience and then attributed to a religilous source.

You have...and you admit it...no idea where morality comes from and don't care..but you know that somehow it has been hardwired into every human and is just waiting to be discovered through a series of epiphanies. You can't quite explain why the English realized that the slavery of their own people was immoral before they realized the slavery of others was immoral...apparently it was two separate epiphanies.

Personally, I think it would be nice if you could make one post where you both argued your position thoughtfully and didn't resort to insulting anyone...it really just makes you look small.

I don't give a *beep* what you think. You have zero credibility either. I already disproved all your bullsh1t and debunked everything you said, point by point. Go back and read.

And quit wasting my time. Look up ethics in the goddam dictionary. Simple. Rolling Eyes You people are seriously whack.

ethics - plural noun
1. (used with a singular or plural verb) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
4. (usually used with a singular verb) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethics

Here's OED's definition:

ethics - plural noun: (after Gr. ). The science of morals; the department of study concerned with the principles of human duty.

And there you have it. Owned.
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Bramble



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This board needs a moderator. Rolling Eyes
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You are not even remotely worth respecting. Neither is your epileptic dog.

pastis, I'll say it just once more. Insult me all you want (though you'd be better off finding another way to argue this) but, in the politest way I know how, please stop insulting the dog I loved in my childhood.

Caring for her remains a happy memory for me, and the play and the love she gave ... just, I dunno, please stop saying bad things about her. That's all. I've already said the worst thing anyone could say, that I handed it off to other people when it came time for her to die, just befcause I wasn't strong enough at that time in my life. I carry that regret, and I've spoken of it.

Actually, what I now regret is having put that memory out here in public so that someone like you who claims to love animals more than me can simply attack that memory for whatever momentary ego thrill it acheives.

Hope you feel a little bigger today, pastis. Good going, dude.
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pastis



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
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You are not even remotely worth respecting. Neither is your epileptic dog.

pastis, I'll say it just once more. Insult me all you want (though you'd be better off finding another way to argue this) but, in the politest way I know how, please stop insulting the dog I loved in my childhood.

Caring for her remains a happy memory for me, and the play and the love she gave ... just, I dunno, please stop saying bad things about her. That's all. I've already said the worst thing anyone could say, that I handed it off to other people when it came time for her to die, just befcause I wasn't strong enough at that time in my life. I carry that regret, and I've spoken of it.

Actually, what I now regret is having put that memory out here in public so that someone like you who claims to love animals more than me can simply attack that memory for whatever momentary ego thrill it acheives.

You don't fool me. You are a complete hypocrite. That's all.

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Hope you feel a little bigger today, pastis. Good going, dude.

I proved you wrong yet again, so yeah, I kinda do.
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Scott in Incheon



Joined: 30 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pastis...

You really love the dictionary don't you. Go back to the dictionary definition and and substitute the word morals for the word ethics and see if you still agree with the defintion and still believe that the words mean exactly the same thing. If you do...then you have won this battle (congrats) and lost the war.
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pastis



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott in Incheon wrote:
Pastis...

You really love the dictionary don't you.

Sure do.

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Go back to the dictionary definition and and substitute the word morals for the word ethics and see if you still agree with the defintion and still believe that the words mean exactly the same thing. If you do...then you have won this battle (congrats) and lost the war.

Once more, quit wasting my time. You had nothing then and you have nothing now. There's no need for me to spell it out anymore than I already have. You were wrong. This is obvious for all to see.
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