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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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How is what Im saying hateful? Gay men at that time knew about AIDS, dont act as if it was somehow unknown. Did it take a CDC announcement to wake them up? Ive seen plenty of documentaries on the beginnings of the HIV epidemic to know that gay men were hip to what was happening, atleast to its risks but continued to live out modern day Soddom anyway. The Gipper never gave anyone AIDS. Wake up. |
and, though infection was of course skewed in favor of gay people, what about the rest of the world who were under the impression that "hah, that's a disease for FAAAAAGS, i can't catch it!" and then ended up contracting it through heterosexual contact and drug use? both are lifestyle choices, no?
it's a statistical fact that AIDS infections stopped being totally confined to the homosexual community, and started making inroads to lifestyles that are much less sodom-like than dudes humping dudes indiscriminantly.
do you remember eddie murphy's "delirious" and the ignorance and the attitudes of the time? "so your wife kisses her gay friend and comes home with that AIDS on her lips... 3 months later 'mr. johnson, you have AIDS... SURE you're not a homosexual"
the level of education about the disease outside the gay community was abysmal, and it didn't start changing until people in power started taking it seriously.
the US government didn't step up and take AIDS seriously until after rock hudson died. their inaction was negligent. "oh shit, a famous person died! we'd better do something or we're going to look bad!"
cowardly, stupid antics for sure. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Octavius Maximus Punitive:
You're really showing your true colors now as a MILITANT gay, the kind I despise. And to think that Reagan is in hell is just ridiculous.
Let me see you show the same utter contempt for all the gays in the '70s and '80s who reveled in their promiscuity and who resisted efforts to promote safe sex and monogamy. Then I can at least acknowledge that you're not being a hypocrite.
Much of the AIDS epidemic would have happened regardless of political stances and militant gays should shoulder more responsibility for their own hedonistic actions.
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| Rejoicing in someone's death? I hate what Falwell stood for but I wont dance on his grave. Have you no shame? |
No, he doesn't and, evidently, no class either.
Who knows? Maybe he's brothers with EFLT. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Steve, us Homosexuals have no need to apologize for our actions, whatever they may be. Perhaps had we been told and warned things would have turned out differently, perhaps not.
As for being a militant gay, if by that you mean one who defends his rights, protects himself from abuse, defends the rights of others and fights homophobia in ever form then you damn right I am militant.
The best part, the part that lets me sleep at night is this: no matter what you wingnuts do, no matter how hard you scream and cry and pray and write letters, no matter if you build gas chambers or gallows, we will out live you. we were here before you, before christians and before jews and before muslims and before americans and before nazis. We have survived and even flourished under all that terror and persecution.
I hope one of your children turns out to be gay just in the hopes you wake up and stop being so damn crazy. But unlike most Christians, despite your failings (conservatism, christianity, heterosexuality) I still love you. I hope one day you wake up. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Were you here before the aliens too?
You are crazy. Your logic makes no sense either. if gays wee here before all others, how could the Human Race have procreated?
Fast food intellectual you are. Serve up more of those Dumb Macs, Im very hungry.
Please, dont love me, thats sexual harrasment. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Dude, gays are documented throughout history, well before our modern religons, what did you think we just showed up after Jesus was squeezed out in that barn. Man you are so ignorant it gives me a headache.
Despite heterosexuals desperate attempt to de-gay history and culture (see Troy) we still exist and will continue to exist.
Now go back to fighting the commies. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Octavius:
It's one thing to defend your freedom of sexuality and sexual expression and quite another to relish the demise of someone who sincerely disagrees with you.
I realize you're prone to lump all Christians together who opt for political action but consider this:
Tonight on Larry King Live, Larry Flynt, the publisher of Hustler, said among other things that he respectfully disagreed with Falwell after he realized Falwell was sincere and not like a Jim Baker or Jimmy Swaggert out to con others. Flynt said he was sorry Falwell was dead and said they were on very good speaking terms by the time of his death. He said he shared some traits with Falwell and admired the manner in which Falwell confronted his adversaries on a personal level.
Now if Flynt, who was sued all the way to the Supreme Court by Falwell for his parody of the man can have this perspective, why can't you?
Octavius exclaimed:
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| we will out live you. we were here before you, before christians and before jews and before muslims and before americans and before nazis. |
Yeah, so were coc-kroaches. Should I invite a comparsion? C'mon Hite, get off your high horse.
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| Steve, us Homosexuals have no need to apologize for our actions |
This is the crux of the issue as far as I'm concerned. Indeed, reckless homosexuals should be responsible for their actions. You're sense of victimhood doesn't entitle you to make victims of others by risking passing on HIV to others, especially as was the case two decades ago.
As for my children, don't worry. If one turns out to be gay, I'll know it was genetic because I've never felt being homosexual (until the advent of the bi-curious) was a choice. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Now if Flynt, who was sued all the way to the Supreme Court by Falwell for his parody of the man can have this perspective, why can't you? |
Because, Mr. McGarrett, people like OH need someone to blame for everything that is wrong in their lives. This is the stance he takes on every topic from religion, to politics, to the United States...
He needs to hate others. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: |
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See unlike you guys, I don't hate anyone. And I don't have any problems in my life, so I don't need anyone to blame.
However, unlike you conservatives and your delusional minds, I do require accountability. I will not give Reagan a pass just because he happened to be in the White House at the time the USSR collapsed. He was evil and did evil things. Falwell hated everyone who disagreed with him. Good riddance. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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See unlike you guys, I don't hate anyone. And I don't have any problems in my life, so I don't need anyone to blame.
However, unlike you conservatives and your delusional minds, I do require accountability. I will not give Reagan a pass just because he happened to be in the White House at the time the USSR collapsed. He was evil and did evil things. Falwell hated everyone who disagreed with him. Good riddance. |
You do hate people. You hate christians. You hate catholics. You hate Poland. You hate Reagan and Bush and a number of people. Youve expressed your hate for many people on this board. Now you are lying. Me, I never lie. if I say something I stick by it. A weak breeze doesnt make my wrists flop like kites in a wind. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: |
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And to think that Reagan is in hell is just ridiculous.
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hm, that's funny. there's really nothing to suggest that it's ridiculous. he did some terrible things. sure he happened to be in the right place at the right time, saying the right things that the right advisors told him to say when communism fell.
had it been ralph nader, paul reubens or jim morrison, you guys would still be fishing in another dead president's adult diaper for man-meat to nibble on.
if you reagan-dong-vacuums are going to hail him as some kind of guiding light for deflating communism, then you had better ascribe the same responsibility to this great warrior who stood by while his government agencies imported vast quantities of cocaine and installed it as a weapon against the poor and ignored AIDS while it killed US citizens who were none the wiser.
but seriously - here's another fun way for jerry falwell to have died.
wait for him to get tipsy, then turn him over. spend 2-3 hours FINDING the thing, then sew it shut and force-feed him cheap scotch and kielbasa until he just explodes in a flurry of fatted sow, blood and poor taste. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Hite wrote:
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See unlike you guys, I don't hate anyone. And I don't have any problems in my life, so I don't need anyone to blame. However, unlike you conservatives and your delusional minds, I do require accountability. I will not give Reagan a pass just because he happened to be in the White House at the time the USSR collapsed. He was evil and did evil things. Falwell hated everyone who disagreed with him. Good riddance.
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I invited you to a measured discussion on this issue and you react in a manner reminiscent of EFLT. Time to press the "ignore" button on you.
on the other hand:
Time and time again the leftists on this board demonstrate they have no class and you've just done it again. That ad was demeaning if for no other reason that it is deplorable for anyone to associate incest with one's mother. It is low humor of the worst sort. And guess what, it was that ad that led to the litigation between Falwell and Flynt. While Flynt still insists he had a right to satirize he admitted on CNN International tonight that he regretted making that ad as a way of criticizing Falwell. He also regretted his despicable joke at Xmas time about Betty Ford, who had just had a double masectomy, saying "All I want for Christmas is my two front ti-ts."
As well he should have.
ubercrappola wrote:
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| government agencies imported vast quantities of cocaine and installed it as a weapon against the poor |
That urban myth was debunked long ago. Now go back to your Green Party rally. They need your rabble rousing. Du bist verruckt. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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While Flynt still insists he had a right to satirize he admitted on CNN International tonight that he regretted making that ad as a way of criticizing Falwell. He also regretted his despicable joke at Xmas time about Betty Ford, who had just had a double masectomy, saying "All I want for Christmas is my two front ti-ts."
As well he should have.
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McGarrette:
Hustler has been publishing stuff far more tasteless than that for decades now. (Ever heard of Chester The Molester?) I somehow doubt that Flynt suddenly had a sincere crisis of conscience over one "yo mamma" joke about Jerry Falwell. More likely, he's grown rather fond of of hobnobbing with the cultural elite, and thought it might up his social standing a bit to say that he regrets making personal insults against other members of said elite. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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For the record, I wasn't much of a Falwell hater anyway. I pretty much regard the Religious Right, noxious though they may be, as an electoral pawn of cynical conservative elites.
I basically just posted the Hustler satire as an historical document, for lack of a better phrase. And I agree. It's not a particularly insightful piece of satire, since it doesn't really play on any known aspects of Falwell's individual personality or beliefs. They could have said the same thing about almost anyone and gotten the same "gross out" effect. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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I was going to stay out of this one, but some of the crap that's being spewed makes me want to post, and I'm bored as hell, so here it goes:
First there was Jinju's standard lack of reading ability (or maybe it's combo of comprehension, ability and intelligence), taking OH comment about gays being around before groups X,Y and Z as meaning they were the first people...
Then there was this gem by SteveO:
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| to relish the demise of someone who sincerely disagrees with you. |
in his attempt to paint a moral picture. Well, Steve, then every terrorist that dies is a bad thing. We should feel sad. When Osama kicks the bucket, you'd better be crying sincere tears and not saying anything negative about the guy. Hitler, he disagreed with me, so I guess it's ok. Oh, that rapist who disagreed with the women who didn't want to sleep with him, that was nothing more than a simple misunderstanding and so the raped women should hold no malice, and no way in hell the guy should do any time in jail...
As for the praising Falwell stuff, Just off the top of my head; he campaigned against the equal rights amendment, then there's his wonderful remarks about 9/11. Then we can add the following, some are from memory so may be a little off, some are from an email I got a while back.
1. Any sex outside of the marriage between a man and a woman is violating God's law.--- the man doesn't know his bible very well, because I can think of more than a few examples of sex outside of marriage, including some incest, and that seemed fine by god...
2. But I don't believe anyone begins a homosexual.--- This contradicts just about every bit of science out there. I have 12 year old kids that I teach and I can tell they're flaming queers right now, and I'm pretty sure it's not from 'outside' influences or by choice.
3. Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions. --- how true
4. Homosexuality is Satan's diabolical attack upon the family that will not only have a corrupting influence upon our next generation, but it will also bring down the wrath of God upon America.
5. I am such a strong admirer and supporter of George W. Bush that if he suggested eliminating the income tax or doubling it, I would vote yes on first blush. --- reason enough to know he's an idiot
I could go on and on, but there's no need to. The man was dumb, as you'd expect a (devout) christian to be. His bigotry and hatred and the things he preached and encouraged make him worthy of people being happy of his passing, especially those at the receiving end of these preachings.
As for this praising reagan BS, any major and reputable work that has been released on the man in the last 5 years, including numerous comments by his staff and occassionally his family, indicate that the man was lacking, if not totally lacking, especially in his second term. I've written what Colin Powell said at a meeting/speech I was at with him, and he essentially portrayed him as totally out to lunch. Moreover, to praise reagan as though 'he' did something is foolishness. It's like saying GWB came up with all of the ideas that his admin put in to place without looking at those around him and groups like the AEI and PFNAC. The Soviets were falling behind and failing since the beginning. The cuban missile crisis was an attempt at cutting costs as much as anything else by the Soviets. That's 1962. Add to that all the food aid, utter poverty, inability to keep up technologically etc, and before January 1981 the Soviets were essentially a sinking ship, going under no matter what anyone in the oval office did. And once again, to credit Reagan, a man widely protrayed as an idiot through out his life with these 'great' ideas is dumb for the reasons I stated above. |
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