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charlieDD
Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea
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 Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: The Korean solution: Cho, demons, exorcism |
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Check out this article about Cho's mother (i.e. Cho the VT murderer) seeking help from the minister of the local Korean church. The minister was going to de-demonize the kid, but . . alas . . he went off to school and we know what happens next .
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=6476973&nav=rmoiuwlf
This right up there with "fan death" and the host of other mythical cures Korean have for real-world ills. ( I know, someone's going to point to the Catholic church and exorcisms. Come on, even the Catholic church keeps this stuff in the realm of the spooky these days. ) |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Likely what he needed yup.
Pssssst ... wanna hear a little secret?
We're ALL possessed by sprirtual & demonic entities 
Tis why quality meditation is essential.
Keep your spiritual house in order (know thyself) or suffer the consequences.
Work with it! |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| To be fair, many woo woo christians believe their problems are caused by demons and not that they're fat losers. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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To be fair, you should go through some of these ... http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=exorcism
I saw a VIDEO on CNN yesterday that was quite disturbing & bizarre.
Eudaimonia (Greek: εuδαιμονία) is a classical Greek word commonly translated as 'happiness'. Etymologically, it consists of the word "eu" ("good" or "well being") and "daimōn" ("spirit" or "minor deity", used by extension to mean one's lot or fortune).
Although popular usage of the term happiness refers to a state of mind, related to joy or pleasure, eudaimonia rarely has such connotations, and the less subjective "human flourishing" is often preferred as a translation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudaimonia |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Which one do you feel is your best example? Let's examine that one. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Go find the one on CNN.
Sorry i can't provide a link. You'll have to do the leg work yourself.
btw - How's your daimon doing these days? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Go find the one on CNN.
Sorry i can't provide a link. You'll have to do the leg work yourself.
btw - How's your daimon doing these days? |
I searched "exorcism cnn" on youtube. Nothing. Of all those videos you linked to on youtube, none of them are good evidence? |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Didn't check out the YOUTUBE vids.
Simply entered the "key" word search.
The one i saw on CNN ( think it was CNN, maybe MSNBC? Yahoo ) was disturbing.
This old lady was possessed in a bad way & RIPPED the pew which was fastened firmly with bolts to the floor right out of its place 
Seriously weird stuff.
Not so sure i wanna investigate any further on YOUTUBE |
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fiveeagles
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Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| To be fair, many woo woo christians believe their problems are caused by demons and not that they're fat losers. |
So you think killing people is because you are a loser? You haven't killed anyone yet. 
Come on MM2, doesn't it make more sense that this guy was demonized? How can someone possibly kill innoncent people like that? |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| To be fair, many woo woo christians believe their problems are caused by demons and not that they're fat losers. |
So you think killing people is because you are a loser? You haven't killed anyone yet.
Come on MM2, doesn't it make more sense that this guy was demonized? How can someone possibly kill [innocent] people like that? |
Gosh, what could possibly cause lightening? Must be a god! There are many people who are mentally ill and kill. I believe Cho was previously institutionalized. So seems like a good guess Cho's killing was largely caused by a mental illness and not a demon. But good to see your concept of cosmology and mental health care are both firmly seated in the middle ages. At least you're consistent. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| To be fair, many woo woo christians believe their problems are caused by demons and not that they're fat losers. |
I'm guessing a lot of those fat loser were fat loser long before they came to faith-look at Rosie O'Fatso |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| To be fair, many woo woo christians believe their problems are caused by demons and not that they're fat losers. |
So you think killing people is because you are a loser? You haven't killed anyone yet.
Come on MM2, doesn't it make more sense that this guy was demonized? How can someone possibly kill [innocent] people like that? |
Gosh, what could possibly cause lightening? Must be a god! There are many people who are mentally ill and kill. I believe Cho was previously institutionalized. So seems like a good guess Cho's killing was largely caused by a mental illness and not a demon. But good to see your concept of cosmology and mental health care are both firmly seated in the middle ages. At least you're consistent. |
I would rather believe that the evil that we see around us is based upon a dark being influencing our actions rather than the luck of the draw. If it was just a mental illness, then he really can't be held accountable for his actions. He was just the victim of a mental sickness. Right? It's the same mentality that is happenning in the states right now, where child sex offenders are getting off without any penalties because it really isn't their fault. They are just addicted to their behavior. Hopefully, you don't believe in this, but I am seeing this justification more and more and it's just a bad excuse MM2. As you love to point out, there a lot of Christians that exemplify bad behavior. Why is that? A mental disorder or demons influencing them to darken the truth?
Whereas, if he is influenced by demons, then he must be held accountable for his actions. Everyone has the power to control the rage within. Right now, this dude is in Hell, because he didn't turn his life over to love.
Which is really the bottom line of all of our discussions. You want to believe in a philosophy where one day you won't have to give an account a divine and righteous power. Hey, I was where you were a long time ago. Living for myself and loving the women. Right? Who wants to believe in the one who rules the cosmos and puts order into our surroundings when there are so many heavenly bodies around.
Evolution is the easy way out and you know it.
Peace bro! |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Here's an old story from the beeb http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4596127.stm
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| She had peppers rubbed into her eyes and was threatened with drowning in what her carers said was an attempt to drive out the evil spirit which had possessed her |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
I would rather believe that the evil that we see around us is based upon a dark being influencing our actions rather than the luck of the draw. |
Is it wishful thinking that leads you believe in demons?
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| If it was just a mental illness, then he really can't be held accountable for his actions. He was just the victim of a mental sickness. Right? It's the same mentality that is happenning in the states right now, where child sex offenders are getting off without any penalties because it really isn't their fault. |
This is happening?
Why not release them after an exorcism then, would that make you happy? We could shut down death row in a week.
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| As you love to point out, there a lot of Christians that exemplify bad behavior. Why is that? A mental disorder or demons influencing them to darken the truth? |
'Devil made me do it', haven't used that one since I was 12, and it didn't work then.
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| Whereas, if he is influenced by demons, then he must be held accountable for his actions. Everyone has the power to control the rage within. Right now, this dude is in Hell, because he didn't turn his life over to love. |
Yes, and we know which loving being sent him there. How does a person have control over a demon entering them or not?
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Which is really the bottom line of all of our discussions. You want to believe in a philosophy where one day you won't have to give an account a divine and righteous power. Hey, I was where you were a long time ago. Living for myself and loving the women. Right? Who wants to believe in the one who rules the cosmos and puts order into our surroundings when there are so many heavenly bodies around.
Evolution is the easy way out and you know it.
Peace bro! |
No you want people to be scared into believing in nonsense. Society used to believe in demons causing illness and disease until people discovered germs and modern medicine. So when you were loving those women did you catch something and blame it demons?
When will you understand that atheists have concerns beyond self gratification? I'd love to be on a hedonistic binge, but I to am accountable to my beliefs. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I suspect that far more Americans than Koreans believe in demonic possession. This is probably yet another thing that's more of an American influence than Korean. |
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