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jinju

Joined: 22 Jan 2006

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject:

BuHaoChi wrote:

AHHHHH...now I get it!

Just to clarify:

So, it's OK to be happy about people dying in war time?

When they are your enemy and are taking offensive actions against you, then yes. Falwell did no such thing, this analogy is simply absurd.

RACETRAITOR

Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject:

cbclark4 wrote:

You can say what you want about Falwell and his death. But, don't expect that if you do that other won't then say those things about someone you may have sensitivities for.

Just don't expect to be treated with kid gloves when you have blood on your hands.

cbc

cbclark4 wrote:

So are you saying that Kim Il Sung is really L. Ron Hubbard?

Is L. Ron Hubbard dead? I know he went missing.

Wasn't it around the same time that Kim Il Sung had been in extended Hospital care, can you say body swap and plastic surgery?

I mean come on look at that face.

Uh-oh, Kim Il-sung and L Ron Hubbard are both dead too (although L Ron may in fact live on Venus). Now the blood is on your hands, oh my.

BuHaoChi

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject:

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jinju

Joined: 22 Jan 2006

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject:

BuHaoChi wrote:

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When they are your enemy and are taking offensive actions against you, then yes. Falwell did no such thing, this analogy is simply absurd.

First, that�s all relative.

Just because Falwell never picked up a gun, doesn�t mean he didn�t hurt people.
-Falwell supported Apartheid (Source: Time Magazine 1985-9-2)
-Falwell supported segregation (Source: Marsh, Charles (1997). God's Long Summer: Stories of Faith and Civil Rights. Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press)

Second, you never answered my question: So it's ok to rejoice in someone's death on certain occasions, like war?

I didnt like Falwell. But just because he supported something doesnt mean his support had any influence on the world.

I answered your question.

BuHaoChi

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject:

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riley

Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject:

twg, hahahahahahahaha, the second I say something that disagrees with you, you lump me in with the other side.

Quote:

See, the problem is you and a few others are trying to turn this into some partisan point-scoring. You are propping up his death as a way to show your ideology as morally superior. You are the ones who are turning it into Left vs Right.

So, on the one hand, we got some people who are glad that a bad man has died. And on the other hand, we have a group of right-leaning guys who are using his corpse to bludgeon their ideological "foes" on a messageboard.

May I suggest, that before you boys keep tossing the "hypocrite" label around, it may be a good idea to not be one yourselves.

I bolded everything in your quote where it sounds as if you are saying that I'm a conservative. Now, maybe I'm wrong in this, but I'm guessing that you're calling me a conservative. You're making my point for me. Falwell was a man who helped to polarize debate in the U.S. In your conversation here, you have shown the same tendency to do just that. If I don't agree with you, you say that I am part of the other side.

I'm a proud liberal who has always stood against what the social conservatives have stood for. As a liberal, I've just gotten sick of posters who use the same tactics as the right to attack others, instead of trying to be bettter.

Please, do two things. (1) Find a post of mine that joins in conservative beliefs, especially social ones. (2) Reread what I said and think, what's the difference between your methods and those like Falwell's?
Just because I'm against you, doesn't make me wrong.

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:16 am Post subject:

BuHaoChi wrote:

Another point of contention: What if we we were talking about a Muslim extremist?

Like when Zarqawi died and Rice so jubilantly declared: �We got�em!� was that an appropriate time to celebrate someone�s death? Should we have said: �I didn�t agree with Zarqawi�s ideas, but I sure feel sad for him because he can no longer enjoy the world?� What about Muhammad Dadullah, the recently deceased Taliban commander? After all, he was fighting for a religious cause he strongly believed in. Should we take a moment to consider his family and all his accomplishments? Or wait, let me guess: This is TOTALLY different, right??

Wrong.

Good point. You helped me think about something in a new way. Thank you.

eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:25 am Post subject:

The Bobster wrote:

BuHaoChi wrote:

Good point. You helped me think about something in a new way. Thank you.

True enough. A fair comparison.

Thing is....I think both type of extremists are an awful thing for the world in 2007.

No tears shed for both.

BuHaoChi

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:42 am Post subject:

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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:53 am Post subject:

BuHaoChi wrote:

eamo wrote:

The Bobster wrote:

BuHaoChi wrote:

Good point. You helped me think about something in a new way. Thank you.

True enough. A fair comparison.

Thing is....I think both type of extremists are an awful thing for the world in 2007.

No tears shed for both.

I 100% agree with you there. Look no further than your daily newspaper to see the horrors that modern religious and political extremism, on ALL sides, has wrought upon the world. The sad fact is, this has been going on for the better part of the last 2000+ years, so I hold out little hope for any resolution in the near future. What�s even worse is that even if we did get rid of religious extremism, they�re be some other hideous philosophy or ideology to come rushing in and take its place: fascism, communism, colonialism, nazism, nationalism, Kim Il Sungism, or what have you.

Yup, nothing left to do but dream, gentleman.

You might say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:04 am Post subject:

If you really think an intolerant religious charlatan like Falwell is 'just as evil' as someone actually involved in planning the murders of thousands of people then clearly you have very little sense of proportion.

Roch

Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:39 am Post subject:

ajgeddes wrote:

My two best friends went to his university in Virginia. My one friend became a completely brainwashed, hardcore Christian. I really resent Jerry Falwell. Before going to his university, my friend was a pretty open guy and let people do as they please, but after 2 years of attending that school he thinks everybody that isn't like Jerry Falwell is a bad person. Personally, I am glad that *beep* is dead.

Did your buddies play for Liberty's baseball team? I got recruited by Liberty's ball team in secondary school but cut off communication with the coach because the team was not very good.

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:14 am Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

If you really think an intolerant religious charlatan like Falwell is 'just as evil' as someone actually involved in planning the murders of thousands of people then clearly you have very little sense of proportion.

Several wars have occurred between the west and the middle eastern nations since Jerry Falwaell's career began. You really think that's just a coincidence of history? No, I'm not saying it's his fault, that would be dumb. He was part of a movement of American opinion in certain directions, that's all.

If you don't know this, you might not know as much about history as you think you do.

I'm sure his mama loved him until the day she or he died ... I'm not sad, and I'm not dancing, either.

twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:18 am Post subject:

riley wrote:

I'm a proud liberal who has always stood against what the social conservatives have stood for.

Okay, if it pleases: Now you proud liberals are propping up his corpse and turning it into a show of why your world-view is morally superior. You and Jinju are pretty much two sides to the same obnoxious coin in this regard.

There's nothing in my political leanings that says I have to be respectful of the death of a bad human being. Death is the great leveler, and when Falwell died, the world became a better place. And I'll be happy when Fred Phelps dies, and when Kim Jeong-Il dies, and when Ahmadinejad dies, and so on.

So, yeah, go ahead and call me a hypocrite if you like. At least I'm not riding his corpse to show everyone that I'm a better human being like you are.

swetepete

Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: a limp little burg

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:45 am Post subject:

twg wrote:

riley wrote:

I'm a proud liberal who has always stood against what the social conservatives have stood for.

Yeah, I'm with the good twig on this one.

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