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kreitler7



Joined: 07 Jan 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Health Care: Korea/States/Canda Reply with quote

In Korea, I can see a medical specialist (orthopedic surgeon, dermatologist, ect.) within one week if I need to. In Canada, the wait times to see a specialist are ridiculous. It is especially bad in Alberta, where it can take up to 6 months to have an initial consultation with the doctor. With respect to availability of health care, Alberta sucks. Korea is much better.

What is the States like? Are specialists readily available? And do they charge outrageous prices or does insurance absorb most of it?


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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Health Care: Korea/States/Canda Reply with quote

I can't tell you about the States, but here in Nova Scotia, if you go to Outpatients in Halifax at any time of the week be prepared to be there for more than twelve hours.

Oh yes, and specialists are anywhere between 6 and 9 months, depending on the specialisation.
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Czarjorge



Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For my Health Insurance in Omaha, Nebraska I pay $60 a month. A normal visit, for example I recently got a physical since I'm coming to Korea and it was considered a normal visit as would going to the doctor for a cold, is $25 and can be arranged within 48 hours. A specialist visit is $35 and was also arranged within 48 hours, but I did so myself. (I saw a podiatrist, my feet hurt. Crying or Very sad ) When I blew out my ACL it took about two weeks to see an orthopedist.

Now if I did not have insurance the physical would have been about $250 with bloodwork and the podiatrist visit about $150. I make about 40k with bonus, and without insurance that would push my budget.

I always admired the single payer healthcare system in Canada. It sounds like it might have it's issues as well.

Can Canadians pay to speed up the process?
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europe2seoul



Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czarjorge wrote:

Can Canadians pay to speed up the process?


My question exactly. On this board people say in Canada you wait a long time. But can you go to a doctor and pay (private clinic?) like you do in US? Say you make bigger bucks, have nice insurance and stuff....I can't imagine that all people in Canada wait for 12 hours.
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cangel



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I am about to say is my experience only and may not be reflective of the entire US medical industry. I have seen a couple of specialists in the US. The first time was with an HMO and the doc said, "Go see xyz. He's on the 3rd floor suite xyz." That was that. I waited until they got back from lunch-about 50 minutes. The second time, I had to make a reservation and it took 3 days. Hit and miss I guess. Definitely seems faster than other countries as a whole. However, if you don't have any form of medical insurance... SOL
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europe2seoul



Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cangel wrote:
However, if you don't have any form of medical insurance... SOL


You need to be super-stupid not to have medical insurance. Who in their right mind would do that?

That is why Korean national health insurance is great. You get covered, you don't wait long, you don't pay much for minor things...For some complicated surgery you pay more but...we all assume we don't need a life-saving one...and you can get extra AIG insurance for example.
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kreitler7



Joined: 07 Jan 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some private clinics starting to pop up in Canada. However, they are very expensive. For example, Vancouver has an orthopedic clinic now. The doctor there would want an MRI. So that would cost about $450 US. Just to consult with the doctor is about $460 US. If you need surgery, the cost is between $4000~$9500 US, in addition to the MRI and consultation fees. As far as I know, there is no supplementary insurance in Canada that one can purchase in order to pay for these private clinics. These clinics are for the rich. Period.

Basically, Canada's system is great if you are near death. But for most other less serious situations, Canada's health care system sucks balls.
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uofagirl



Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Central Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to disagree with part of what the OP said. I recently went to Yonsei Severance Hospital to get some issues looked at and while there was no wait time, the costs were/would've have been much higher compared to Canada.

For the following services, my bill WITH insurance came to 180 000Won.
- saw the doctor at the foreign clinic to get a referral to see an ENT(ear, nose, throat specialist)
- saw the ENT(Korean) for less than 10 mins, he recommended two tests(blood allergy test and sinus x-ray)

If I had gotten the services above in Canada, most of it would've been covered under provincial health care(referral, ENT consultation, x-rays, maybe not allergy test). I did not return after getting the results of the tests which didn't resolve my issues anyways. I've decided to wait until I return home this summer(permanently) to find out what is wrong. It would've cost too much to run various tests and have to pay each time until we got to the source of the problem.

I'm also from Alberta. Luckily my cousin is a pediatrian at the University of Alberta hospital and her father-in-law is also a doctor. They have many colleagues in various fields so this will probably help speed up the process to see any specialists(I also want to see a gastroenterologist due to some digestive issues developed here over the past three years).

Korea's wait time is great but be prepared to pay. The basic insurance here does not cover very much. If you want to feel confident with any diagnosis(if you feel it's serious enough to warrant it), then going to a bigger/more well-known facility is a good idea(which means higher costs as well).
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cangel



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, wait, I think I can decipher your code....

You have to be super stupid to not have medical insurance therefore, those without medical insurance or, those without a national healthcare system, umm, wait, I think I got it..... Nope, lost it. Let me reorganize my thoughts and get back to you.
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kreitler7



Joined: 07 Jan 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UofA girl:

So you value money over quality of life? You would rather be sick for a long time than paying some money and fixing the problem right away?

Glad to see that you have apparent privileges that let you jump the queue ahead of us normal "commoners".

I agree that Korea can have expensive medical costs. However, it sure is nice to get help when you need it.

The fact is, Alberta needs many more doctors. The system right now is in shambles.
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I the only one who feels dirty after going to see a Korean doctor? (just asking for turn and cough jokes)

Always feels way too fast and inefficient.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czarjorge wrote:


Can Canadians pay to speed up the process?


No, and I like it. I don't want to see some rich *beep* going ahead of me just because he has more money.

The good thing about being treated in Canada is it won't leave you in the poor house, even if it takes a few months longer. There are a lot of serious diseases out there that you can live with much longer than you think. The US system is better for fast treatment, but afterwards it basically sounds like you'll live the rest of your life as a slave to your bank.
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uofagirl



Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Central Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm saying that the Korean health care system isn't all that great which is something that you seem to believe. Even if you have to wait at home, at least it is free. Maybe paying 200 000Won/visit is not an issue for you but for many of us, several visits with no conclusive diagnosis is not affordable. If you can justify the costs of services in Korea that are typically free in Canada, then do what you have to do. For me, I don't see how this is any better than the system in Canada.

It always helps to have connections and it's not always fair. Life is not fair. Often times, I'm on the side with the "commoners" but I'm not going to apologize for getting the help that I need because my cousin has colleagues that are willing to help.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czarjorge wrote:
Can Canadians pay to speed up the process?


No and it sucks. There should be the option to have privatized care, but there isn't.
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europe2seoul



Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

uofagirl wrote:
Maybe paying 200 000Won/visit is not an issue for you but for many of us, several visits with no conclusive diagnosis is not affordable.


Go to regular hospital...not special foreigner clinic like Yonsei Severance one, since its aimed at corporate execs, diplomats and basically people with $$$. Regular normal (bigger & newer) hospital has everything you need and you won't have to pay much. Also, all doctors speak some English for totally OK conversation between you two...
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