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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: India? Reply with quote

Anyone have/had the bug to go to India? If so, where? Where would you go? Or 'Where did you go?'
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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lived in Delhi. Loved it: food, clothes, people, language, history.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ella wrote:
Lived in Delhi. Loved it: food, clothes, people, language, history.

What did you do there?
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stealth_fighter



Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:22 am    Post subject: Better choice Reply with quote

Agra and Jaipur or Kerala and the south.
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Tony_Balony



Joined: 12 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had laser eye surgery in Mumbai. I hated the place and left as quickly as possible.
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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What did you do there?

Academic research.
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luvnpeas



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the north, I liked Varanasi.

In the south, I liked Cochin and other parts of Kerala, Madurai, Pondicherry, and Mysore. Bylakuppe is a Tibetan settlement about two hours from Mysore that is worth a visit; there are two Buddhist schools there, so the place is mostly a community of monks in-training. The hills around Madurai have some nice, non-touristed temples that are special. Pondicherry was colonized by the French rather than British, and to this day has a slightly different feel.
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ariellowen



Joined: 19 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The women's dresses are very beautiful.

Hope you like squalor.
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent 6 weeks in the north in the Spring. I toured all of Rajasthan and Punjab, and up to Simla in the Himalayas.

The poverty is there, as is the squalor, crowds and noise. But they will be there even if you aren't. Too many people stay away because they can't handle the poverty and begging children. Staying away does nothing, but people who do go to India may leave with a much richer understanding of life. And the children love it when you give them "school pens".

Anyway, I had a great time, had wonderful food (unf**king believable food!) and would go back again in a moment.

As the Buddha (or someone rather smart) said, "see the good in everyone, and keep your hand on your wallet". Cool
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ella



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of the power of India is you see all of life there: the good and bad, all extremes, and everything in between. In the U.S. we live life as an end-product, all shiny packaging and perfect teeth. India is gritty but it also feels like something more... real, complete, alive. Something. (Not that I'm knocking life in the U.S., it's my home and I love it, but India is an amazing place.) The human poverty I knew about and was mentally braced for, it was the animal poverty that got to me. No one warns you about that.

Visitors seem to either love or hate India. Going there expecting a squeaky-clean Western country is not only ignorant, it's also a setup for having a really hard time there. Going to India just to duck in and out of tourist attractions and complain about crowds and dusty streets is pointless. If you go knowing you're entering a developing country of both wealth and poverty, if you go to explore a complex country of contrasts and a huge range in geography, cultures, and languages, and if you're able to roll with the punches, then you'll have the experience of a lifetime.

And yeah, Indian women's clothing is spectacular. I have a closet full of salwar kameez and sarees to prove it!
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to go there someday, but since I have heard how filthy it is, I would need to "buy" some old clothes to wear there. I have heard when you go out, you'll come back to your hotel covered in filth. Yuck! I've also heard that in some places even the women will just pull up their saris and take a crap right on the side of the road, and that there are human dung piles all around. I think I'd be sick! My boss said he's been to 20 countries and India was the filthiest place he's ever seen. He couldn't believe how filthy it was.
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luvnpeas



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

India is land of contradictions. It is certainly dirty, at times ugly. It is also beautiful. It's an impoverished, developing country. It's a nuclear power with a long tradition of intellectual achievement. I took this picture in Agra, a filthy city. Is that all you see?

http://www.luvnpeas.org/mmedia/india/image-html/agra.girl.html
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

princess wrote:
I want to go there someday, but since I have heard how filthy it is, I would need to "buy" some old clothes to wear there. I have heard when you go out, you'll come back to your hotel covered in filth. Yuck! I've also heard that in some places even the women will just pull up their saris and take a crap right on the side of the road, and that there are human dung piles all around. I think I'd be sick! My boss said he's been to 20 countries and India was the filthiest place he's ever seen. He couldn't believe how filthy it was.


What were the twenty other countries? I saw places in Mexico City every bit as dirty as some places in India.

I had my Punjabi suits cleaned every two or three wearings, cheaply and conveniently at the hotels I stayed in. I don't remember ever being covered in filth, but I did get covered with watercolor dye during Holi Festival in Pushkar.

I never saw human dung piles, but I did see people lift their clothes and squat for a dump. As I have traveled in some funky places (Cambodia and the southern reaches of Vietnam come to mind) I myself have relieved myself in a similar manner.

And, yes, you probably will be sick. My traveling companion in India bailed after a week of puking- he fled back to Australia ASAP, but now regrets having left. I was sick for a couple of days. I just got an email from my Indian driver, who was in hospital for two weeks recently for food poisoning. But I have gotten sick in a lot of places where I have traveled. It is part of the experience. While I was sick in India, my driver and his driver friends babysat me and brought me medicines and electolyte solution to rehydrate me. It wasn't nearly as bad as the amoebic dysentary I got after living a few months in Mexico city. I have learned a lot about local cultures and people when I have been sick while traveling- most all of it quite positive.

Ella, I love your posts about India, and you helped my a lot in terms of preparing for my trip. Thank you.

Oh, and in case you couldn't tell, I LOVE India, and can't wait to return. But I am not a princess.
Wink
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is Calcutta? Anyone been there?

Mumbai seems like a must to me. I love large cities.. and kept hearing references (I'm sure they are wrong) to be like a New York or London. I imagine something like that with a whole lot of poverty! Yet I'm very intrigued.

Goa? Is it worth it? Seems a bit far from the other more interesting areas.. and the country is huge.

Rajastan sounds worth it.

Varanasi would be interesting.. yet outside of the Ganges River.. what would be the other large attractions to draw someone there?

Any other recommended places?
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My next trip will probably be north, to the Indian Himalayas and, hopefully, Nepal.

Rajasthan rocks, but every gap-year kid and french person knows it (I heard that about 65% of the travelers in Rajasthan are French). Next time I want to go someplace a little off the tourist trail.

Punjab has less stellar attractions, but it also has way less tourists. The Sikh's Golden Temple in Amritsar and the border crossing ceremony at the Pakistan border make the trip north worthwhile.

I'll be doing the south, but later. Maybe after North Africa or Mongolia. . .
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