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[dmbfan]

..this was taken from www.drudgereport.com

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DeMint Statement on Immigration Deal May 17th, 2007 - Washington, D.C. - Today, U.S. Senator DeMint made the following statement: "I hope we don't take a thousand page bill written in secret and try to ram it through the Senate in a few days. This is a very important issue for America and we need time to debate it." "But the little we do know about the bill is troubling. According to reports, the bill contains a new 'Z Visa' that allows those who entered our country illegally to stay here permanently without ever returning home. This rewards people who broke the law with permanent legal status, and puts them ahead of millions of law-abiding immigrants waiting to come to America. I don't care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty." MORE on Immigration: ** DeMint OpEd on RealClearPolitics.com - Responsible Immigration Reform

I pretty much agree. Although, it is the firs real plan of action that has been implemented, but it will have consequences in the near future. However, I don't think this goes into affect until the boarder has been secured.......I saw something about that earlier today.

dmbfan

[lastat06513]

I totally disagree with the bill and with the whole discussion about illegal immigrants in general.

Depending on where these people come from; in most likely cases (especially with the international view of the US these days), if an American citizen were to overstay their visa in their country, most likely they would be kicked the $%^& out and on some cases blacklisted (IE, Korea, Japan, and China).

They need to go, end of story....I hear about people here, throwing their fists in the air whenever a fellow westerner gets snagged because they were caught doing privates....wanting to throw the book at them.....but they become bleeding liberals when it comes to illegals who sneak into the US, saying they should be given a second chance......thats an elephant-sized load of bullsh<t!!!!!!!.....and those of you know who I am talking about ..........and those of you know who you are........

Also, here is a challenge....why should I serve a country that rewards people for coming here illegally so they can take jobs away from people already hit by the already sh^tty economy and not pay into the welfare system that they will end up on anyway.........
F^>k that!!!!!

[dmbfan]

Actually, what I mean is .........

..at least SOMETHING has been done. It is not the best, nor is it the worst solution. But, as I said, I will have consequences in the near future.


.....liberals

[Tony_Balony]

Yea, there's plenty to be angry about. Plenty.
Citizens have thought for years that they were the ones being wronged, but they found via actions of the Senate, that they were the wrong doers and the illegals were the good guys. Its really outrageous. Citizens are of the mind that not only do they want the system accountable, but they want compensation as well. They government thinks in the opposite direction.

Its a real fight. The feds really slime about. They lie or are eventually shown to be grossly misunderstood which means you made the mistake. When I hear them, an adequate interpretation of their case means an inflation of 300% of the numbers they show. When they say 12 million, they mean 36 million.

The idea was always amnesty. It was intended or daresay conspired to leave 13-40 million people here and say "Oops!".

That stuff about "business needs? A business is one vote and not even that. Corporate entities can't vote although it is a "legal person". Business needs are treated as an absolute. Business needs can be fudged lied about easily. Remove social welfare benefits from guest worker programs. The gov't isn't the HR department for businesses . Citizens should feel free to say "I don't care about business needs".

The bill avoids whole spheres of the issue like compensation for ID theft, no foreigns in public schools and health care expenditures aggressively capped.

The Big One is the birth amendment. I'd negotiate very generously after that but on the other hand the rules aren't important much anymore so it doesn't matter. Cooperation with Mexico? This is a complex issue and they are "officially" missing on the whole matter. The feds say evac is expensive but its really less cash than Iraq War. Did you even read a good evac plan? This a wonderful chance for all sorts of social engineering. The funny thing about the birth amendment is that turning it off is free. It will not cost one cent.

Legitimate constituency is a broader scope issue but I've noticed I have had to share my representative with people I'm certain aren't constituents. This issue has a different broader aspect but it needs to be considered.

My objections have one aspect that exceptionally common in that the indefinite nature of them all. US citizens are legally required to provide for the education of all of the worlds children. They just need to be at our schools. Its really stressful to be subject to that requirement. Children have important needs. I want to help, but the matter is being forced on me for no good reason. In every situation outside of humanitarian needs, I just not interested in the obligation. Its frictional at least, the immigrants come with plenty of needs and they come too fast. It often takes years to make public programs responsive enough but the the related complaining begins immediately. And they aren't supposed to be here anyway. Its really infuriating.

The practice is disturbingly aggressive. I'd have a hard time acting that way that off on someone. The issue causes a palpable tension and decrease of quality in life. The enforcement of such is met with belligerence

Repeat for birth amendment and healthcare.

My opinions on the matters are not reflective of the fact that Latin American instability matters. This is also off the table for discussion.
Its one perspective to accuse me of being negative, its another to criticize unstable circumstances to induced the migration. We'll still have this problem even after amnesty. Its bad there, but not to the point of humanitarian needs usually.

The morale is bad. People like me that would like to negotiate are discouraged from making concessions because we don't trust the other side. People don’t have faith in the process any longer. One effect is desperation the other is likely anger.

The demographic shift was supposed to make things fair for all people. The shift has benefited Latinos above all others. The process changed, but it hasn’t been made fair. Not even close. We just have another privileged class.

[MCSM]

Has everyone forgotten where such postings should go?

[Tony_Balony]

This post should go on CE. The mods can move it if they like.

[matthews_world]

There outta be a 3 strikes rule with this.

The bill represents what the principles of America were based upon, but hey, this is a different world now.

The shipping out illegals and breaking up of immigrant families last year by the Bush admin was a big tragedy in my book, even if some of the ones they sent home had questional backgrounds and police records.

[dmbfan]

[Alyallen]

I'm still puzzled by the American by birth rule.

How do you change that without disenfranchising a lot of legal immigrants?

My parents came to the U.S. as legal immigrants. I was born in the U.S. I went to school in the U.S. I am American.

If the rule is changed and my parents came to the U.S, how is the fact that my parents weren't American suddenly make me non-American.

How could my parents legal status as legal immigrants put their child (me) in the same boat as the child of illegal immigrants if that law is struck down?

Once that's settled, then progress could certainly be made on the immigration bill. I would hope that no one wants the U.S. to end up with a situation similar to Germany, where there are Turkish guest workers who have children in Germany who are not considered German....

I personally don't think that illegal immigrants should be allowed to leap frog over people who have gone the legal route and waited years for their chance to come to America.

As far as breaking up families, if the family can not leave their U.S. born child with a family member, then I think they should take the child back to their home country. The child will be American regardless, and can come back legally as an independent and legal U.S. citizen at a later date. It's not fair to the child but the U.S. government didn't do this to them, their parents did.