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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: Against Marriage |
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As a response to the post of a tax on nutz, I thought this appropriate.
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Cutting and Running, and Why Taipei Is Better
Mostly when I hear one of these radical feminist ladies squawking and clucking about whatever is disturbing her system at the moment, I don't listen a whole lot, because most of them have the insight of flatworms and run on pure bile. But I have to agree with them about marriage. It's probably a bad idea.
For a guy, I mean. (If you're a woman, listen to the feminists. They'll tell you why marriage is a bad idea for women: Men are rapists. All of us. We batter women like cannibal tempura chefs. We don't have feelings. We're no damn good. Stay away from us.)
But let me tell you why marriage is bad for guys. If you're a young fellow thinking about tying the awful knot, read this carefully.
Guys marry for bad reasons. When it comes to women, we have less judgment than bugs in a moonshine bottle. Guys marry charm. They marry a sweet smile, a perky toss of the chin. They marry clear skin and bright eyes, soft lips, warm hands. They marry curves in a pretty print dress and silken hair that smells like warm milk and new-mown grass. (Maybe that's straining the language. Steinbeck or somebody said it.) Men marry necking on back roads with crickets creaking in the woods and warm breezes and Sally is just so unspeakably wonderful they can't do without her.
Men marry illusion. Sally marries a pre-med.
We males have an infinite capacity for deluding ourselves. The charm of women doesn't last, any more than flowers in a mountain meadow. A requirement for a marriage license should be that the guy spend fifteen minutes thinking of Sally as twenty pounds heavier with crow's feet and PMS and no further incentive to control it. In five years she won't want to party. Little Richard will give way to easy listening. In a decade she won't even slightly resemble the lissome damsel he married. She won't like his friends unless they're boring. The fun and excitement will fade and life will be just life.
Charm has a short shelf-life. A fellow should ask himself: Is her mind such that he wants to spend forty years talking to her?
Maybe so. Some women are great that way. One was reported in San Francisco a few years ago, and I know of one in Canada. (Actually a fair number of gals are seriously bright. But Willy Bill probably won't marry one. Anyway, ask yourself the question.)
However, the overarching aspect of marriage, the one that ought to be part of the dictionary definition, is that Sally will get the children. She'll get the house too, but the world is full of houses. The kids are the killer.
Women have a mysterious power to fog men's minds. I hear Willy Bill saying, "Divorce? Impossible. Sally's adorable. Even if it happened, we'd still be friends." There was a case of this reported too. In central China. Pre-Confucius. Scholars debate its authenticity.
Willy Bill very likely will get divorced, which will very likely be Sally's idea, and she will get the kids with virtual certainty. Further (and he won't believe it in the full flood of hormonal misjudgment) she will in all likelihood use them against him. Even if not, she'll remarry and move to the other end of the country, and he will be lucky if he sees the kids a week at Christmas. Willy Bill now faces fifteen years of child support for children he will barely know. At best Sally will be heartless about it, at worst vengeful. The courts will support her every step of the way.
If you think this doesn't happen, regularly, think again. Think several times.
The way to avoid the morass is simply not to marry. Thanks to the Sexual Revolution, guys don't have to. Find one you like and live with her. If you get along, keep on living together. Maybe you will have a long, happy life together. It happens. However, most women give the marry-me-or-leave ultimatum in about two years max, which means that you'll have to find another. This is unpleasant, but then the variety is nice. Serial monagamy isn't too bad. (I personally prefer parallel monogamy, but it isn't real practical.)
Once you tie the knot, your house is toast. But the for-keeps breakpoint, the one that really hurts, is children. Dead serious, guys, watch this one. Here, Sally holds all the high cards. I talk to a lot of men who are going crazy because the ex just remarried and went to Oregon with the kids. They do this. All the time.
Remember that after the divorce, Sally is going to hate you. The divorce will have been your fault. You will have failed her in every way. You won't have met her expectations. That's the opening hand.
She will want to remarry. Fine. If you're crazy, maybe you will want to remarry. How much do you think she's going to want you around, after she has re-daddied your children? Is she going to tell New Daddy he can't take that promotion in Oregon because of your rights to see your kids?
As a rule, she won't concede that you have a right to see your sprats, or that they have any stake in seeing their father. Her rationale will be the passive-aggressive formulation, "Well, he's so insensitive I just can't believe he really wants to see them, blah blah blah."
This is Sally, remember, with the perky smile and soft lips.
Don't do it, guys. At least, don't do it unless you have a bomb-proof pre-nup saying that when the divorce comes, either party who leaves the region has to leave the kids with the other.
It's a hell of a way to begin a marriage. But do it. Do it because you can count on one thing: The courts will be absolutely on her side.
Better yet, if you want kids, go to Asia and marry. The women are feminine (consult your dictionary), beautiful, agreeable (consult your dictionary), and don't have cellulite.
Don't marry,guys. Stay single. The feminists are right on this one. And when you get married anyway and lose the house and kids, remember that weird columnist who said it would happen, and he was right. |
http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm
While I'm (very happily) about to marry, I do think there is much truth in what this guy says. The system isn't fair to men. And (white) women in the West are less feminine and agreeable than are others (my subjective opinion).
So, who is going to follow Bill Maher and stay single? |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Against Marriage |
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| While I'm (very happily) about to marry, I do think there is much truth in what this guy says. The system isn't fair to men. And (white) women in the West are less feminine and agreeable than are others (my subjective opinion). |
I feel sorry for your future wife if you think the marriage system tilts in favor of men. The whole rant sounds like some slob who's disappointed that marriage doesn't provide him a mother-maid who gives great b***jobs.
I'll highlight some of the stupid quotes:
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| A requirement for a marriage license should be that the guy spend fifteen minutes thinking of Sally as twenty pounds heavier with crow's feet and PMS and no further incentive to control it. |
A monogamous relationship between two people who both age is somehow unfair to men? If a man-boys like him want an unaging [s]sextoy[/s] wife, he should get a livedoll.
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| Charm has a short shelf-life. A fellow should ask himself: Is her mind such that he wants to spend forty years talking to her? |
Yes, it's hard to find a good woman who will maintain the mindset of a high school teen for 40 years.
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We males have an infinite capacity for deluding ourselves....
Women have a mysterious power to fog men's minds. I hear Willy Bill saying, "Divorce? Impossible. Sally's adorable. Even if it happened, we'd still be friends." |
Men are dumb, and that's unfair to... men? I love how when men are dumb women are at fault. Why do man-boys blame others for their own shortcomings.
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| Willy Bill now faces fifteen years of child support for children he will barely know. |
Because it's child support, not child rental fees. If only men weren't so self-deluding maybe they understand it.
I know, child support is totally unfair. Men's contribution to the creation of the child is usually measured in minutes. Women have to carry the thing in them for months and undergo a painful extraction. It's horrible that men have to pay money for what they worked so little to produce. It's even worse that the median child support payment (US) is a full third of the cost to actually raise a child. It's totally unfair.
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| Better yet, if you want kids, go to Asia and marry. The women are feminine (consult your dictionary), beautiful, agreeable (consult your dictionary), and don't have cellulite. |
The only appropriate thing to do is go back to the the top of the man-boy's article. "Men marry illusion.... We males have an infinite capacity for deluding ourselves." |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel sorry for your future wife if you think the marriage system tilts in favor of men. The whole rant sounds like some slob who's disappointed that marriage doesn't provide him a mother-maid who gives great b***jobs. |
Way to personalize it! But yes. The women always keep the kids. That is unfair.
My turn!
Quick guess...
You are an overweight, disagreeable, single Western woman... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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By the by, in my opening line I said:
As a response to the post of a tax on nutz, I thought this appropriate.
The tongue is firmly in my cheek. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
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| I feel sorry for your future wife if you think the marriage system tilts in favor of men. The whole rant sounds like some slob who's disappointed that marriage doesn't provide him a mother-maid who gives great b***jobs. |
Way to personalize it! But yes. The women always keep the kids. That is unfair.
My turn!
Quick guess...
You are an overweight, disagreeable, single Western woman... |
Way to personalise right back.
The guy in the article does have an obnoxious and stereotypical take on marriage that doesn't seem to take into account some guys tendency to grow monosyllabic, couch prone and beer guts, but he does have a point.
In divorce men lose out big time. I've seen a few of these characters and the sh*t they get put through is unbelievable. They're usually unbearably bitter and twisted and I can never be sure if they were always like this, which would make a vindictive divorce understandable, or if this is the end result. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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I said:
As in, I was going to personalize right back. I was aware, dude.
To topic,
Maybe they become sofa prone and fat due to the constant sucking of their life via nagging that their wife puts them through? Western women like to control control control in ways that others (Hispanics, in my experience) don't.. Maybe that has something to do with it? The only option left is to wait for death? |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| You are an overweight, disagreeable, single Western woman... |
No, but good try. I'll give you a gold star for effort.
I think it's funny that you try to distance yourself from what you posted by saying it's tongue in cheek. Apart from the title, your words, not the quote, aren't cheeky in the least. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think this a very good example of how disagreeable Western women are. Can't take a joke.
Back to the comfort food! |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see the point in this article/diatribe
Don't marry:arrow: have kids out of wedlock  you still have to pay for them...
Or even better....Don't marry have kids out of wedlock don't pay for them..
Tada...where there's a will, there's a way  |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Safe to say if anyone has this mindset, then they should definitely not get married. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| And a woman who believes in the inherent 'badness' of masculinity best manifested in a half-joke thread about a testicular tax? Should she marry? |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| I think this a very good example of how disagreeable Western women are. Can't take a joke. |
I get it, you're really a feminist. This has all been a big joke to make fun of the patriarchy and man-boys. I may be a little daft, so perhaps you could point out the punchline in what you wrote:
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While I'm (very happily) about to marry, I do think there is much truth in what this guy says. The system isn't fair to men. And (white) women in the West are less feminine and agreeable than are others (my subjective opinion).
So, who is going to follow Bill Maher and stay single? |
But let's be realistic. You really do agree (at least partially) with what you posted. You certainly sound that way. After all, whenver you're misunderstood it's a woman's fault, isn't it? Can't be you, can it?
Who wants to start to start a pool for how long it is until BJWD is a unbearably bitter and twisted divorcee? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I am a feminist. As weird as it is to type that. But this post is to make fun to everybody! I'm sure that jinju is about to come on and agree with every word in the post and that the bitter, overweight and disagreeable female backpack elsers are thumping on their used laptops now.
But I agree with the idea that men ought to look outside of the West for a good partner. 100%.
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| After all, whenver you're misunderstood it's a woman's fault, isn't it? Can't be you, can it? |
What is the women's fault? The imbalance in divorce settlements? I think the pendulum just swung too far in the other direction.
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Who wants to start to start a pool for how long it is until BJWD is a unbearably bitter and twisted divorcee?
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Tell you what. We can start a bet about that, and I'll be honest, as long as we start a pool of when you will hit 180 pounds and start watching Dr. Phil (with mandatory tub of ice cream in your lap) as your sole intellectual stimulation. |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| But I agree with the idea that men ought to look outside of the West for a good partner. 100%.. |
Why ought men look outside the west for a good partner? And the answer does count toward your feminist accreditation. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Haha! Perhaps the funniest thread in ages. BJWD is always funniest when he's being serious. I always have a good chuckle when this clearly misogynist prat claims to be a feminist, or 'man-feminist' as he once called himself.
If you thought my thread was a 'half-joke,' that's because the other half of the humour you missed was clearly too subtle for someone who's yet to graduate past laughing at fat ladies. You must have been a riot in kindegarten.  |
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