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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: Will America turn away from violent films? |
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Will campus killings shake U.S. infatuation with violent films?
By Michael Cieply Published: May 1, 2007 |
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/01/arts/horror.php
My own thought is -- did 9/11 stop people from flying? Did OJ stop people from watching Judge Judy?
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cosmo

Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Did the VT shootings stop Koreans from playing shooting games? |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel:
I realize that density is your calling card, but what of the countless millions of non-Americans who clamor to buy these videos, both legally and illegally, around the globe?
Are they infatuated too?
Really, if you're going to engage in American bashing, at least think before you jerk your knee. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel:
I realize that density is your calling card, but what of the countless millions of non-Americans who clamor to buy these videos, both legally and illegally, around the globe?
Are they infatuated too?
Really, if you're going to engage in American bashing, at least think before you jerk your knee. |
McGarette,
Did you even read the article? It is about AMERICA thus my comments were addressed towards it.
Your knee jerk response is just par for the course from you. You scream leftist, anti America without really even stopping to think what the proper boundaries of the conversation are. You are the one rabid. I suggest you go for a detox.
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel:
Are you willfully obtuse or does it just come naturally?
You post an article about America's supposed obsession with violent films, inferring that we are somehow more prone to violence as a society because of it while ignoring the GLARING fact that millions of people around the world watch these same films. Nobody is pointing a gun at their heads to do so. Got it now or do I need to resort to comic strips?
And if you're not American, what business have you to judge us when you're brethren are also doing it? |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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McGarette,
I repeat, I posted something and you ran with it, filling in the blanks. That isn't good intellectual discipline or rigour. It is your MO, just label label label.......don't offer any substance. Go back to your dog house if you aren't going to debate the facts but rather just label someone who posted some info.
DD
PS. Again, the article wasn't about the millions who watch American films but rather the American movie going audience (which represents 90% of Hollywood's revenue -- they actually lose money on overseas production and distribution!). |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
I repeat, I posted something... |
...that appealed to my antiAmerican sensibilities after spending perhaps hours scouring the net for such a story to post here. And now I wish to backpeddle and disclaim..."
Know thyself, Grasshopper.
And by the way: take your self-righteous sermonizing and piss off. We have the right to watch any kind of film we like. You do not get to decide this. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: |
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Gopher,
No backpeddling or disclaimer. You too are falling into the same MO. Cry wolf , cry "...ism" and don't debate or converse upon the issues.
If you think that the moment someone posts something with "American" in it, they are anti-american, you got a screw loose.
I had no point to make other than the fact that I thought the author's sensational premise was totally wrong. An event like VT isn't going to change proximate behaviours, such as watching violent videos.
You're making this into some sort of anti-Americanism only shows your own true colours. McGaretteism....ooops, McCarthyism. A kind of shout down, basing your arguement on authority and not the facts or any longly cherished notions of truth, reference, example or proof. Horrific and not befitting anyone who would pretend to be an "academic".
You can now pull open your 101 reader and reading list of academia. It is a joke and your days are over , quoting "so called" scholars when at the same time betraying your own lack of 'breadth " and intellectual vigour. I again use my metaphor of the kid one page ahead in the third grade reader.....
I can only say on this issue, "Shut up or Sing". I'm sure you know the reference. Or to make it clearer, "I will not shut up".......same issue, same thing. I will say what I want, don't cling to some power. My voice is my own and so too my learning. Your own learning, vacuous.
So watch whatever film you want, piss off wherever you want......that isn't the issue.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: |
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When free speech is questioned, people like me tend to just turn the page, slip in the Kill Bill DVD and order a Pepperoni pizza. The West earns its money. Life goes on. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: |
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McGarette wrote,
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And if you're not American, what business have you to judge us when you're brethren are also doing it? |
I couldn't let this one pass. It is a classic and shows just how sad your thinking skills are. What hypocricy! You are here on this board, bashing about, knocking all sorts of cultures, religions, ways of life --- all in your mind guilty as charged. Well, I throw back your comment at you -- what business have you with your comments about Islam (to name the most pernicious set) when America too, is rife with religious fervor in govt, when America has its own torn and soiled carpet?
Which is it? Do you not admit the problems within America (which every country has) or are you not able to admit the above comment is just wrong?
I'll end by quoting one forgotten man (I'll let you guess which cereal box I've read it off of.....) -- "Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto"
Ah, where there is life, there is hope.....I guess.
DD
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:21 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
What hypocricy! You are here on this board, bashing about, knocking all sorts of cultures, religions, ways of life --- all in your mind guilty as charged.
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Related to this. Why are you only able to ever criticize the US and never, ever, ever, ever, ever anything else? That is more than hypocrisy. It is moral and intellectual weakness.
You pay fully zero attention to anything outside of the US that might challenge your fragile cocoon of political correctness and guilt.
It is pathetic. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
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You pay fully zero attention to anything outside of the US that might challenge your fragile cocoon of political correctness and guilt.
It is pathetic. |
And therein is your MO, your weakness. Tunnel vision. Only good as a football striker or a watch maker......
You fail to see anything which doesn't pad your own assumptions. Just off the top of my head I will list some subjects I've brought up and criticized.
Libya, Israel, Iran, China, Russia, suppression of gypsies, Ukraine, killing of journalists the world over, Venezuela, Che Guevera, Cuba, Blair, Sarkozy, Berlussconi, Pakistan's govt, the infamous republics of C. Asia, Turkey (should I continue????)
It is you who can rate as pathetic, take off the blinders and neigh....
That many times the U.S. serves as a backdrop to many issues and is a source of comparison is only fair. It's reach far STOP -- I shouldn't even have to explain this current events 101....
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Location: Eungam Loop
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
McGarette,
I repeat, I posted something and you ran with it, filling in the blanks. That isn't good intellectual discipline or rigour. It is your MO, just label label label.......don't offer any substance. Go back to your dog house if you aren't going to debate the facts but rather just label someone who posted some info.
DD
PS. Again, the article wasn't about the millions who watch American films but rather the American movie going audience (which represents 90% of Hollywood's revenue -- they actually lose money on overseas production and distribution!). |
Very wrong. Hollywood makes a lot more than 90% of its revenue from overseas, especially when factoring in big blockbuster action-killing films. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Beej wrote: |
Hollywood makes a lot more than 90% of its revenue from overseas, especially when factoring in big blockbuster action-killing films. |
Not really. "Action-killing" films are not among the top grossing Hollywood films worldwide except in the form of fantasy and science fiction, technological marvels of the advanced science of filmmaking in America, along with animation. The only films which don't fall into those HI-TECH eye candy categories is Titanic, Forrest Gump, The Sixth Sense, The Passion of the Christ, none of which are gun-happy films.
If one is to speak of crude generalities, the world watches Hollywood films more for its technology than its violence.
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List of highest-grossing films Rank Movie name Worldwide Gross
1 Titanic (1997) - 20th Century Fox / Paramount $1,845,034,188
2 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) - New Line Cinema $1,118,888,979
3 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006) - Buena Vista/Walt Disney Pictures $1,065,659,812
4 Harry Potter and the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone (2001) - Warner Bros. $976,475,550
5 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) - New Line Cinema $926,287,400
6 Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (1999) - 20th Century Fox $925,307,558
7 Shrek 2 (2004) - DreamWorks SKG $920,665,658
8 Jurassic Park (1993) - Universal $914,691,118
9 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005) - Warner Bros. $892,213,036
10 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002) - Warner Bros. $876,688,482
11 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) - New Line Cinema $871,368,364
12 Finding Nemo (2003) - Buena Vista/Walt Disney Pictures $864,625,978
13 Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (2005) - 20th Century Fox $849,997,605
14 Spider-Man (2002) - Sony/Columbia Pictures $821,708,551
15 Independence Day (1996) - 20th Century Fox $816,969,268
16 E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) - Universal $792,910,554
17 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) - Warner Bros. $789,804,554
18 The Lion King (1994) - Buena Vista/Walt Disney Pictures $783,841,776
19 Spider-Man 2 (2004) - Sony/Columbia Pictures $783,766,341
20 Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (1977) - 20th Century Fox $775,398,007
21 The Da Vinci Code (2006) - Sony/Columbia Pictures $758,239,851
22 Spider-Man 3 (2007) - Sony/Columbia $746,900,000
23 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (2005) - Walt Disney Company/
Buena Vista Pictures
$744,717,957
24 The Matrix Reloaded (2003) - Warner Bros. $738,599,701
25 Forrest Gump (1994) - Paramount Pictures $677,386,686
26 The Sixth Sense (1999) - Buena Vista/Hollywood Pictures $672,806,292
27 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003) - Buena Vista/Walt Disney Pictures $653,913,918
28 Ice Age: The Meltdown (2006) - 20th Century Fox $651,564,512
29 Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones (2002) - 20th Century Fox $649,398,328
30 The Incredibles (2004) - Buena Vista/Walt Disney Pictures $631,436,092
31 The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997) - Universal $618,638,999
32 The Passion of the Christ (2004) - Icon Entertainment $611,899,420
33 Casino Royale (2006) - Sony / Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer / Columbia Pictures $594,239,066 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films
The last one, #33, is a bonafide gun-totting, action-killing movie, one of countless cranked out by Hollywood for American audiences. The fact that the highest grossing gun-totting action-killing film is 007 is probably due to it being a British themed, Europe- and worldwide film locations, as its lead character travels the globe. But this is beside the point.
Americans LOVE guns and gun movies. It's an obsession really. |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006 Location: The Road to Ithaca
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Will America turn away from violent films? |
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ddeubel wrote: |
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Will campus killings shake U.S. infatuation with violent films?
By Michael Cieply Published: May 1, 2007 |
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/01/arts/horror.php
My own thought is -- did 9/11 stop people from flying? Did OJ stop people from watching Judge Judy?
DD |
Don't be stupid. Of course it won't. Nor will the rest of the world turn away from violent films. People suck. Nowhere is this more evident than in the truism that people like to live personally unimagineable scenarios vicariously. It started with the Ancient Greeks. Where it will end, nobody knows. There is nothing new in your premise. Stop asking stupid questions disguised as America-bashing. There are more than enough grounds to question America than the movies it produces and that the whole world laps up like starving lap dogs. |
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