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		SeoulnPepe
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Coffee Grinders | 
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				| Anyone know where I can get a decent coffee grinder. Already checked gmarket and auction. I don't want to shell out 200,000W for something that's meant to be in a restaurant. No manual ones either. Any help or suggestions are much appreciated. | 
			 
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		Qinella
 
 
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		Lynns
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| I bought one at a Starbucks. A little expensive, but not 200. Maybe about 60,000 won or so, if I remember correctly. | 
			 
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		lostinseoul77777
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:45 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| You can find some decent ones at the Namdaemun market. Just wander around and it shouldn't be a problem finding one for around 25,000-35,000W. I picked up a Braun grinder. The only thing is mine has 220v plug so I have to use it with an adapter. | 
			 
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		Ron Stevens
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:22 am    Post subject:  | 
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				remember the ones with the blades are cheap but they aren't good for your coffee, need one with a mill action 
 
 
a good grind is quite important, rather than get a cheap grinder i would just buy the beans every week from a roaster - there's quite a number around seoul - and get them to grind them for whatever it is you are using | 
			 
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		captain kirk
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:59 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| Has anyone tried both methods (mill grinder and chopping blender)? I have. I got a hotshot grinder with 12 grind settings from Japan (80$) three months ago and it just died. So I then used a small 'bullet mixer' (10$ blender). To my horror the cheap bullet mixer/blender gets the coffee as fine, if not finer, than the espresso/finest setting of the hotshot mill grinder (which died). Does the coffee taste any different? Just a TINY bit more bitter, and that's maybe. | 
			 
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		cdninkorea
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:06 am    Post subject:  | 
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	  remember the ones with the blades are cheap but they aren't good for your coffee, need one with a mill action 
 
 
a good grind is quite important, rather than get a cheap grinder i would just buy the beans every week from a roaster - there's quite a number around seoul - and get them to grind them for whatever it is you are using | 
	 
 
 
 
This is news to me- why are blades bad? And what is 'mill action'? | 
			 
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		trubadour
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:29 am    Post subject:  | 
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	  remember the ones with the blades are cheap but they aren't good for your coffee, need one with a mill action 
 
 
a good grind is quite important, rather than get a cheap grinder i would just buy the beans every week from a roaster - there's quite a number around seoul - and get them to grind them for whatever it is you are using | 
	 
 
 
 
This is news to me- why are blades bad? And what is 'mill action'? | 
	 
 
 
 
 
The way I heard it: the blades merely smash and chop the beans, and in doing so disturb the oils and so the flavour. A burr grinder properly grinds, so preserving the flavour by coaxing it out more gently. The difference, I suppose, is akin to making a powder as opposed to making a mix. | 
			 
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		FXAdam
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:58 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Blade grinders can actually heat the coffee beans up while grinding them which causes the oils and what not that provide a lot of the flavour to evaporate.
 
 
A burr/mill grinder produces grounds that are more consistently sized which can be important if you are making espresso, brewing with a french press, etc.
 
 
They talk about this and more here:
 
 
http://sweetmarias.com/grind.brew.html
 
 
 
Now if I could just find some beans over here I would be happy this "freeze dried" and "100% soluable" garbage is wearing on me. 
 
 
I miss my home roaster.    | 
			 
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		eamo
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:06 am    Post subject:  | 
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				A blade 'grinder' doesn't grind. It cuts. So what you effectively get is many little particles of unground coffee. The hot water will not get much from that. A burr grinder (or coffee mill) will completely pulverize the bean in a true grinding fashion. In theory, more flavor is released.
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | So I then used a small 'bullet mixer' (10$ blender). To my horror the cheap bullet mixer/blender gets the coffee as fine, if not finer, than the espresso/finest setting of the hotshot mill grinder (which died). Does the coffee taste any different? Just a TINY bit more bitter, and that's maybe. | 
	 
 
 
 
If the blade grinder works for you then great, but only burr grinders are really accepted in the gourmet coffee business.
 
 
Here's a brief summary...
 
http://coffeetea.about.com/od/grinding/a/bladeburr.htm
 
http://www.1st-line.com/machines/home_mod/conicalb.htm
 
http://www.e-quipmentsystems.com/Tella_coffee_grinders.htm
 
 
BTW....I'm not a coffee snob. I'll even drink Korean coffee mix when nothing else is around. But I do have a Bialetti espresso stovetop coffee maker and I need the kind of fine and consistant grind that only burr grinders do.
 
 
I got my hand cranker in a dept store for 20,000. A pain in the arse to stand and grind for 3 minutes first thing in the morning, but, needs must! | 
			 
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