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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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I read the article but didn't think much of it. The average movie goer likes really dumb movies, with or without violence, as shown by van Islanders list. Sadly it doesn't seem like that's going to change any time soon
If you want to make an exciting dumb movie you go with either lots of sex or lots of violence or both. Violence isn't as big a factor in determining a movies MPAA rating, so it's easier to make and promote a very violent movie. Maybe that should change.
If you're not into dumb violent movies, I highly recommend Away from Her which was mentioned in the article. Sarah Polley directed it, based on an Alice Munro story, one of the best movies I've seen in quite a while. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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I will drum up some figures on "profitability" of Hollywood films overseas today. I wasn't talking about box office figures which can be misleading when discussing revenue for the film industry. Fact of the matter is, the domestic market is where it is at for Hollywood but they do see an eventual profitable future in the overseas market.
Daskalos -- my point was, to make the point how stupid this article's premise was. One I have seen repeatedly brought up in the media and one I disagree with. So we agree there. I posted the article as mentioned before -- to illicit discussion and not to America bash. I'm well aware of the human wide "appetite" for violence and I'm sure it featured in most of the early "campfire" stories of prehistory.
Peppermint,
Thanks for the Polley recommendation. I read something about the film a few weeks ago. (very positive too). I'm going to watch it, pronto.
DD |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| There seem to be two kinds of film critics. One judges movies on a case-by-case basis, and realizes that some blockbuster movies are better than others. The other hates certain movie genres *in principle*, and shows resentment when one's pet hate occasionally receives critical acclaim. Case in point: the hue and cry over "Silence of the Lambs" winning the Oscar. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:04 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel dribbled:
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| Well, I throw back your comment at you -- what business have you with your comments about Islam (to name the most pernicious set) when America too, is rife with religious fervor in govt, when America has its own torn and soiled carpet? |
"Throw back" is an apt description, or "sling," as in sh-it. The threads I post on Islam deal with topics that directly impact on the safety of Americans, so of course it's fair game. My point, which you missed during you most recent bout of hysteria, is that you're condemning Americans for something most other peoples do, namely, watching violent films.
And to equate Christian fervor with Islamic zealotry and fanaticism is just plain preposterous. If you're going to be an apologist for anyone who is anti-American, at least try to be less pedestrian about it.
Incidentally, dd, just what is your nationality, or is that something you also wish to conceal? |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| The threads I post on Islam deal with topics that directly impact on the safety of Americans, so of course it's fair game. My point, which you missed during you most recent bout of hysteria, is that you're condemning Americans for something most other peoples do, namely, watching violent films. |
McGarette,
Besides all your other deficits, do you also suffer from ADD? I did not condemn America for something most people do (watching violent movies) {but I'd qualify that, over 60% of the world have never even more than glanced at TV for a short moment, but that's another thought}. I posted an article and stated how I thought the author's premise was wrong. All the rest is your ill lusion.
Further, can't you see how absolutely farcical your arguement is? You are clutching at straws. I really think you are challenged upstairs. Are you REALLY saying that you have the right to speak out about other cultures/countries because they entail American security concerns and I do not? UGHHHH. It would be much better to argue the reverse - that because of the predominance of America in the world, it is for all of us to "check" her and participate in that part of her civil society. But I won't take this route.
Why? Because as I alluded to in my previous post and which being the challenged tyke you are, you didn't pick up on -- I am a citizen of the world, there is nothing foreign to me. My arguement is wider and stronger. Every person in this every day, newer world, every person who has been blessed with leisure and education, has the obligation to speak out about the world, to speak their mind and state what they see as the truth, the humane truth. There is no citizenship requirement for intellectual discourse.
So in regards to that final question which poses as you always do, an accusation;
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| Incidentally, dd, just what is your nationality, or is that something you also wish to conceal? |
Find out for yourself. I am content to be known as from my mother. But I have nothing to hide (as you state in your pseudo, terrorist language, even you, so challenged have picked up on the lingo). I am one of the most forthcoming and open people posting here about my life, who I am. That's just me. Not saying it is right or wrong of others.
Oh yeah, one last thing, just to challenge you some more....
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| And to equate Christian fervor with Islamic zealotry and fanaticism is just plain preposterous. If you're going to be an apologist for anyone who is anti-American, at least try to be less pedestrian about it. |
Sorry, can't be pedestrian -- I've been a world class runner most of my life and still am. Also, you do have a short memory span. What were those godly words on the FAT boy? And then there is Bush with declarations of doing God's will. I've posted elsewhere with a full rundown so won't repeat. You are sick and culturally brainwashed. Wake up and be a scholar -- as one of the greats declared, "doubt, doubt and more doubt. Doubt is the sign of an enlivened mind. Always doubt. "
DD |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:19 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote:
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| I am a citizen of the world, there is nothing foreign to me. My arguement is wider and stronger |
Anybody remember that dreadful one-hit wonder by Helen Reddy, "I Am Woman (Hear Me Roar)?"
Hum it as you sing this, "I am Ddeubel, hear me roar in insight too big to ignore...." [You can fill in the remaining lyrics.]
P.s.
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| doubt, doubt and more doubt. Doubt is the sign of an enlivened mind. Always doubt. " |
Relentless doubt is the sign of a cynic or, worse yet, a secular humanist. |
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xeno439
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: |
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We really feed off of this stuff. Korea's violent days are coming, too. The whole world is doomed. Actually, what one unintelligent wannabe does usually has no effect on the whole of society. In fact, America seems to be always and forever pushing to two sides of the coin. The conservatives are getting downright silly with their hypocritical rantings of tradition values whilst promoting the use of guns (which lead to this incident). And the liberals are so void of new ideas, so stuck in past, that they can't seem open their minds (one of their former mantras) enough to envision a new paradigm for dealing with their adversaries. They have gone into a state of that which they abhor. That is to say, they have declared war (which makes them hypocrites in and of themselves) on the conservatives.
Violence is a thing not of nationality, but of human nature. It is not limited by boundaries or culture. It floats from place to place. It has no religious or political agenda. It is something that probably will never be tamed in humans.
There will always be Cho's and Damer's and other psychopaths.
There will always be pieces of shit humans that do disgusting things. Those that try to put in on a particular culture are blind ignorant morons. We are all animals. There . . . |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| McGarrett wrote: |
| ...what is your nationality? |
| Ddeubel wrote: |
| I am a citizen of the world, there is nothing foreign to me. My arguement is wider and stronger. Every person in this every day, newer world, every person who has been blessed with leisure and education, has the obligation to speak out about the world, to speak their mind and state what they see as the truth, the humane truth. There is no citizenship requirement for intellectual discourse...I am content to be known as from my mother. But I have nothing to hide (as you state in your pseudo, terrorist language, even you, so challenged have picked up on the lingo). I am one of the most forthcoming and open people posting here about my life, who I am. That's just me... |
Translation: Canadian. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Translation: Canadian. |
Gopher,
Just another example, to add to a long list, of you not engaging ideas but rather "labeling". The only time you post reasonably, is if you have already corralled everything into your own little "paradigm". I suggest you investigate more, what exactly this "Dorian Gray" part of you paints.
In fact I have two passports, Swiss and Canadian. But I've lived the majority of my life outside of Canada. I also have no problem being a Canadian either. Proud of it. Still, as I stated, I don't let others define me (which is what govts and territories do). You shouldn't either, O rally around the chief, blind patriot.
Now crawl back into your hole and that darkness. It's not February yet.
DD |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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"Who Am I?" or, alternatively: "O rally-round-the chief, blind patriot."
by Ddeubel and Gopher
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Just another example,
To add to a long list.
Of you not engaging ideas
But rather
"Labeling."
The only time you post reasonably,
Is if you have already corralled everyting,
Everyting.
Into your own
little
"paradigm."
Everyting into your own little paradigm.
I suggest you investigate...
"What exactly is this 'Dorian Gray?'"
In fact
I have two passports:
One Swiss; the other Canadian.
But
I've lived the majority of my life
Outside of Canada.
Outside of Canada.
I also have no problem
Being a Canadian
Either.
Proud of it.
Proud of it.
Look in the mirror at my pride.
Still,
As I stated:
I don't let don't let no others define me!
(which is what govts and territories do, mon).
You shouldn't either,
O rally-round-the-chief, blind patriot. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Haha! Love it!!!! That's bloody hilarious!
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Gopher:
Hilarious. You've outdone yourself this time. And ddeubel has no sense of humor other than what his avatar has to offer.
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| Translation: Canadian. |
Really.
xeno439:
Just curious: do you ever get the feeling maybe Arthur C. Clarke was right? I mean, about the New Man formed because the alien experiment with the Old Man failed due to unrelenting violent behavior from a species which emerged because of use of violence. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| xeno439 wrote: |
Violence is a thing not of nationality, but of human nature. It is not limited by boundaries or culture. It floats from place to place. It has no religious or political agenda. It is something that probably will never be tamed in humans.
There will always be Cho's and Damer's and other psychopaths.
There will always be pieces of *beep* humans that do disgusting things. Those that try to put in on a particular culture are blind ignorant morons. We are all animals. There . . . |
Unfortunately true. If all violent movies/games/novels were banned tommorrow, will we suddenly have a thousand years of global peace? I think not.
The most violent places in the world aren't necessarily the places with the best access to hi-tech entertainment ... |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Have you seen many local k-movies/dramas? The violence, especially to females, is appalling. I've never seen women get stomped, kicked, punched in US movies like I have in these movies. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Have you seen many local k-movies/dramas? The violence, especially to females, is appalling. I've never seen women get stomped, kicked, punched in US movies like I have in these movies. |
Man, you got that right. It's despicable, really. But it won't sway the die-hard, rabid anti-American posters here. They need their daily ration of red meat. |
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