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So a big fat envelope hits my desk...
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: So a big fat envelope hits my desk... Reply with quote

Haven't counted. After school program. More than 800k. "Umm", I say to my coworker, "this is about 350k more than it should be."

"Shhhh", came the reply.

Shocked Is there simply NO accountability in Korea?
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give yourself a big pat on the back - you obviously did something right.
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure that I will get flamed for this but I care not.

I would ask whomever gave you the envelop if in fact the ammount was correct. Sure, 350,000 won is a nice little bonus, but is it worth selling your moral integrity. My hagwon accidently double paid me. I asked around what I should do. Some of the K-teachers said that I should keep it. I did not. I told the accountant right away. I gave them back their money, and the trust they now have in me was well worth it.

I know people will say, "There are so many Koreans hagwon owners that would nickel and dime you to death." I also understand that you work for a public school. You probably already have good credibility with the school; this would improve that stature.

Many times I have been given incorrect change from a store clerk, to which I always clerify it, and give them what is rightfully theirs. Cashiers will often have to pay the difference if their balance is off. Perhaps someone is accountable for the lost money.

My humble opinion.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

polonius wrote:
Sure, 350,000 won is a nice little bonus, but is it worth selling your moral integrity



HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA moral integrity:) What can you buy with moral integrity?

Op, take the money.
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icnelly



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Polonius; plus, if they do figure it out, it could put you in the situation of having to A. explain yourself, and B. perhaps pay the money back.

I've seen lots of other threads about people getting paid extra and being asked to pay it back later.

Just make sure to think about it, or sit on the money for awhile (Money is for spending though, right??)
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

polonius wrote:
I am sure that I will get flamed for this but I care not.

I would ask whomever gave you the envelop if in fact the ammount was correct. Sure, 350,000 won is a nice little bonus, but is it worth selling your moral integrity. My hagwon accidently double paid me. I asked around what I should do. Some of the K-teachers said that I should keep it. I did not. I told the accountant right away. I gave them back their money, and the trust they now have in me was well worth it.

I know people will say, "There are so many Koreans hagwon owners that would nickel and dime you to death." I also understand that you work for a public school. You probably already have good credibility with the school; this would improve that stature.

Many times I have been given incorrect change from a store clerk, to which I always clerify it, and give them what is rightfully theirs. Cashiers will often have to pay the difference if their balance is off. Perhaps someone is accountable for the lost money.

My humble opinion.


An extra amount of money in an envelope with no pay stub at public school is a favour, not a mistake. Public schools have these extra funds kicking around here and there. What probably happened is that Poet13's extra classes brought in X amount of money and so his school sent it all his way, rather than looking up what his contract says and calculating it all out at whatever rate is specified. Had they done the latter someone else would have probably found an excuse to pocket the extra money instead of him. That someone wanted him to have it all says he's been doing something right.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, people seem to be approaching this like it's some sort of mistake. If they gave him a comspiratorial grin and a "shhhh" when he brought it up, I'd bet that means it was on purpose. Stop with the "don't be a bad person" crap.
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

polonius wrote:
My hagwon accidently double paid me.


Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

I'm guessing the management has changed since I was working there, Polonius. Wink
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably a stupid question- are there any receipts or pay stubs at your workplace?
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree with Polonius that a mistake in the amount paid ought to be pointed out, no matter which party the mistake favors, I also think that this is not the case -- an envelope of cash plunked down in front of you (unless that is the way you ALWAYS get paid) is indeed an "attaboy/girl." Bask and revel in working for a decent school, and that karma works both ways, too!
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PaperTiger



Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: Ulaanbataar

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, just wait for someone to come out of the woodworks and ask where their cut of your paycheck is....isn't that the way those after school money-laundering programs usually work? I thought if you got paid "too much" in that situation that it actually went to the principal or whatever third party is employing you on behalf of the school.
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Rapacious Mr. Batstove



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: Central Areola

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
polonius wrote:
Sure, 350,000 won is a nice little bonus, but is it worth selling your moral integrity



HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA moral integrity:) What can you buy with moral integrity?

Op, take the money.


I'm curious how you can jump up and down while stamping your feet crying CHEAT! in one thread where a hogwan boss over taxes an FT and then scream TAKE THE MONEY!! when a school accidentally overpays an FT.

HYPOCRITE!!!!! And you damn well know it.
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dmbfan



Joined: 09 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O.P.

Check into it. Ask the administrator. Then ask your V.P. Then ask your pirnciple. If it is understanding that it was a gift, then cool. Take it. If not, you will be glad you sorted it out by giving back the money. If it is a mistake, they will come looking for it.

Do the right thing.

dmbfan
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Batstove.

You should bring the overpayment to someones attention.

They will then explain how it is a gift.

cbc
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rapacious Mr. Batstove wrote:
jinju wrote:
polonius wrote:
Sure, 350,000 won is a nice little bonus, but is it worth selling your moral integrity



HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA moral integrity:) What can you buy with moral integrity?

Op, take the money.


I'm curious how you can jump up and down while stamping your feet crying CHEAT! in one thread where a hogwan boss over taxes an FT and then scream TAKE THE MONEY!! when a school accidentally overpays an FT.

HYPOCRITE!!!!! And you damn well know it.


How is thus hypocritical?

Ill explaing something to you

It was given with the understanding that the extra pay was intended - i.e. the wink and nod he got. Is it now unethical to take money given to you?

Hypocrite is a mighty strong word to throw around so lightly.
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