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[jinju]

Oh shut up RTeacher. I dare you right now to point me to a single 100% vegan culture that does not in some way, shape or form include food from animal sources. We were made to be omnivores and thats what we are. Ive seen enough vegans to know that I dont want to be a sickly, emotionally unstable person like most of them have been.

[bluelake]

The fish were fish, nothing symbolic.

From John 21:

[jinju]

Jesus was not vegeterian.

[Xian]

[contrarian]

Jesus ate fish and honeycomb after his resurrection.

You are all wrong, we Mormons are the only ones who have it right.

[Rteacher]

I'm not a vegan, nor do I advocate a strictly vegan diet. I'm sure that it is suitable for some people who can handle the extra austerity that it requires.

As a lacto-vegetarian, my diet isn't austere at all (eg: pizza, ice cream, butter, sour cream, yogurt, many types of cheese, etc., to go along with all fruits, vegetables, grains, beans, and nuts...)

I'm stout and strong without having to eat animals that have been slaughtered (and often tortured in factory farm conditions...)

Actually, I'm not opposed to meat-eating per se - just the unnecessary killing and abuse of animals. If people crave the taste of animal flesh and blood so much they can eat animals after they die naturally (after an initial waiting period, there could be an adeqate supply of deceased animals...)

Krishna appeared on this planet about 5000 years ago, stayed for 125 years (but never looked older than about 25...) displayed wonderful pastimes, and spoke Bhagavad-gita ("Song of God") to his friend and disciple, Arjuna, at the start of a world war referred to as the Battle of Kurukshetra...

In my opinion, Bhagavad-gita presents spiritual science more comprehensively and with much greater philosophical depth than the Bible does ...

I think that the Bible was mainly targeting simple desert dwellers and relatively barbaric types of people who often engaged in murder and incest (along with meat-eating...)

Bhagavad -gita (and more elaborate Vedic literatures) targeted a more civilized society that lived in India, where most people were already on the moral level of "good Christians" (so "don't kill" didn't have to be stressed so much and more advanced spiritual topics could be presented...)

[Xian]

[mindmetoo]

[igotthisguitar]

Therapeutae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutae

[jinju]

[Rteacher]

(Yeah, but it's spelled "euphemism" ... )

"Igotthisguitar's" link was interesting - not much resemblance for what passes as Christianity these days (even in monasteries ...)

Vedic culture certainly predates Buddhism - since the latter was essentially a reaction to the misuse of Vedic injunctions dealing with animal sacrifices...

There are widely divergent estimates as to the date of the Bhagavad-gita ("Song of God") which is one chapter of the great epic Mahabharata (90,000 verse "Great history of India" - the land named after Maharaja Bharata and ruled by his descendents...)

Many early Indologists were frankly doing the bidding of colonial and sectarian Christian interests by subtly denigrating ancient Vedic culture by dating it as much more recent than warranted by evidence (and later concocting an "Aryan Invasion" theory to account for its advanced level of mathematics and science...)

I'm inclined to believe the traditional dating of the Mahabharata (and compilation of all the Vedic literatures by Vyasa) at about 3000 BC - based on astronomical references made by its author throughout the text to various solar and lunar eclipses and positions of planets.

Recent archeological finds - including the discovery of Krishna's capital port city of Dwaraka (submerged since the day Krishna departed the planet...) also support that date ...

Based on scholarly reports that I've seen (and no doubt my own bias) I'm convinced that Vedic culture influenced the development of all the other major religions. It also heavily influenced mathematics, science, art, and philosophy in ancient Greece and Egypt...

There are indeed many similarities between accounts of the advent of Krishna and Jesus and between Vedic and Christian rituals and symbolism. As to who may have copied whom, it's not really that important from a spiritual point of view because Krishna and Jesus are one in their desire to deliver fallen souls back to the Kingdom of God...

Harvard Divinity School professor and renowned theologian, Harvey Cox, made this observation about the Krishna consciousness movement's transplanting of Vedic culture:

�When I first met the Hare Krishna�s, I can remember thinking how surprised I was, and I wondered what this meant. The costumes, the chanting, and the shaved heads appeared a little strange to me. But as I came to know the movement, I came to find that there was a striking similarity in the essence of what they were teaching and in the original core of Christianity-that is, living simply, not trying to accumulate worldly goods, living with compassion towards all creatures, sharing, loving, and living joyfully...

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christianity_and_the_vedic_teachings_within_it.htm

http://www.hinduism.co.za/oldest.htm

http://www.gauranga.org/prabhupada.htm

[Nowhere Man]

[mindmetoo]

[Rteacher]

(Aside from a few accidents, I've had no meat, fish, or eggs for over 30 years...)

I agree with organized efforts to stop abuse and ultimate slaughtering of cows by the dairy industry, but I don't agree with propaganda made by vegans that cows' milk is not naturally intended for human consumption.

Since Vedic times, cows milk has provided essential nourishment for humans - especially kids - and cows were specially protected by farmers.

Nowadays, it's much more difficult to protect cows - even in India - without substantial subsidies to cover expenses...

Plants are indeed living beings, but their consciousness is much less developed than higher animals - so it's not as violent to kill them. Nonetheless, there is some karmic reaction, which can be remedied by preparing vegetarian food as a devotional offering to God ...

[Nowhere Man]