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pdx
Joined: 19 Jan 2007
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That was a good post. It's also very good to point out that a lot of missionary work is not just preaching, but establishing connections and providing things for people in need.
My parents are "missionaries" in that they are Christians, working at a Christian facility in Mexico, and organize Christian groups to come and work and build houses and distribute food and clothing. My parents don't go out and preach every day. They help maintain and run a daycare for migrant workers' children, and help raise money for that as a base operation for other outreaches.
so they're not the kind that go around knocking on peoples' doors. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| SirFink wrote: |
If you believed that anyone who hadn't accepted Jesus as their lord and savior was doomed to eternal damnation, wouldn't you feel compelled to get the Good News to them?
If you saw a man you believed was drowning and you were holding a life preserver, would you just walk by and not bother to throw it to him? |
Nope. If said man doesn't know who Jesus is in this day and time, then he's too ignorant to understand the so-called Good News. Why bother? There are more important things than slamming the bible down someone's throat. Perhaps, those missionaries should be setting a good example in life, inspiring others to ask for themselves.
Missionaries are delusional. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Sincere question about missionaries! |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Well, my guess is it could only be to spread the missionary position of the Bible
out amongst the ignorant cave-dwelling masses  |
Right, because the cave-dwellers all do it doggie-style. |
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dogshed
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Don't have a bible to hand!
Can you tell me what Mathew had to say on the subject? |
You are on the fricking internet. There are many online bibles. Troll. |
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Rock
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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God sends specific persons to specific people for specific reasons, just like why you're in Korea and English can't be learned over the internet or by telephone either.
A missionary, moreover, is annointed of God. It may be something you don't understand. But this ties into what I said above. This person has a specific purpose to help these specific people that others via long distance cannot achieve since God's power, or presence, is manifested through this individual, much like your voice is displayed through you being present in Korea.
Believe me, I know a missionary quite well. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| Rock wrote: |
God sends specific persons to specific people for specific reasons, just like why you're in Korea and English can't be learned over the internet or by telephone either.
A missionary, moreover, is annointed of God. It may be something you don't understand. But this ties into what I said above. This person has a specific purpose to help these specific people that others via long distance cannot achieve. |
The Catholic Church has a long history of helping people. But isn't it strange how that religion has more money than many countries? How the Vatican is a guilded palace full of treasures liberated from the people's they've presumed to help? How people were burned alive, arrested, tortured in the name of Christ? Facinating.
Missionary work is about one thing: expanding the control and economic future of the Church. It's about imposing a power structure upon peoples that didn't ask for help. The bible, most notably under Constantine, was edited to contain only those books that were favorable to a central control structure. True Christianity is more about the inner soul rather than "giving to Cesear what is Cesars." When there are televangelists on TV chronically raising money, yet they can afford private jets and enourmous palace homes, while there are people dying from a lack of safe drinking water.. that's when I start to question the motives of Christianity. The God in which I believe doesn't take Mastercard, Visa or American Express.
Christians are supposed to be against abortion, yet they allowed the burning of "witches" or heretics at the stake. If Christians ran the world, we'd still be living in the dark ages, literally. Nearly all of the major achievements in science, with the exception of Mendelian Genetics were developed in direct opposition to the Church. The Bible was written by men, designed to control people in an era when "magic and spirits" explained scientific phenomena. Even today, Christians deny the proven fact of evolution and its related theory of natural selection. Most Christians don't even understand what these scientific concepts illustrate.
I'm tired of Marquee Christians (ones that push their beliefs onto society) and Muslims. I'm tired of spirituality and the teachings of Christ being subverted by a mob that thinks they can tell ME what God really means! For anyone to think they know the correct interpretation of the Christianity, they are obviously mentally ill. No one on Earth knows. I'm tired of killing in the name of God or Allah. I am tired of entire peoples being subjected to genocide on the grounds of religion (Serbo-Croatian war, Chad, Sudan.. and on and on.)
And most of all, I'm tired of god-damned missionaries trying to tell people that they have Good News! The so-called Good News was printed on paper soaked in the blood of the innocents, slaughtered by power-hungry kings for centuries.
Missionaries and the organizations that sponsor them can take the Good News and shove it up your collective a$ses. |
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KWellsDear
Joined: 26 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Amen. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh well I guess that's pretty clear.. |
What's pretty clear is that he told HIS DISCIPLES to do this, no one else.
Also, with all the Mormons who go door-to-door these days, what are the stats on KOREAN Mormons? I don't believe I've ever met one. I only meet the Korean Raellians and Korean Church-of-God'ers. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Rock wrote: |
God sends specific persons to specific people for specific reasons, just like why you're in Korea and English can't be learned over the internet or by telephone either.
A missionary, moreover, is annointed of God. It may be something you don't understand. But this ties into what I said above. This person has a specific purpose to help these specific people that others via long distance cannot achieve since God's power, or presence, is manifested through this individual, much like your voice is displayed through you being present in Korea.
Believe me, I know a missionary quite well. |
But if there's no god, this statement makes no sense.
We don't have a good record for making up gods that turn out to be real. Odin, Ra, Osiris, Quetzalcoatl, Krishna, Vishnu, Kukulkan, Xenu... What makes this one any more special? |
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krats1976
Joined: 14 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Grimalkin wrote: |
| Oh well I guess that's pretty clear.. |
What's pretty clear is that he told HIS DISCIPLES to do this, no one else.
Also, with all the Mormons who go door-to-door these days, what are the stats on KOREAN Mormons? I don't believe I've ever met one. I only meet the Korean Raellians and Korean Church-of-God'ers. |
Many of the LDS missionaries in Korea now are Korean. Of 4 in my ward, two are Korean.
There are about 70,000 Latter-day Saints in Korea.
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Kyrei
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
But if [since] there's no god, this statement makes no sense.
We don't have a good record for making up gods that turn out to be real. Odin, Ra, Osiris, Quetzalcoatl, Krishna, Vishnu, Kukulkan, Xenu... What makes this one any more special? |
(note: emphasis added)
Finally someone with a rational, reasoned point of view. My advice: lose the superstition and your imaginary friend.
There is no god.
To all you "missionaries" and "evangelists" and other proselytisers. Stop trying to brainwash the rest of us with your bulls [clap] hit. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| SirFink wrote: |
If you believed that anyone who hadn't accepted Jesus as their lord and savior was doomed to eternal damnation, wouldn't you feel compelled to get the Good News to them?
If you saw a man you believed was drowning and you were holding a life preserver, would you just walk by and not bother to throw it to him? |
Are you saying that Christians have difficulty distinguishing fiction from reality? |
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pdx
Joined: 19 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Kyrei- As long as you get to share your ideas, I get to share mine. You believe there is no God, and you feel fine telling everyone that. I believe there is a God, and I feel fine telling everyone that. It's so simple  |
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pdx
Joined: 19 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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As for being approached by people, I know it's awkward. Twice this weekend I got approached by some church ladies. It's awkward for me and I'm a Christian! I even told the lady that I went to church and she wanted my phone number so I could go to a Bible study. Luckily enough she went away when I said "well, I have a Bible study that I go too, thanks."
Although my roommate and I did end up going home with those Jehovah's Witness magazines. We really LOVED the article on "secret dating".  |
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Kyrei
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| pdx wrote: |
| Kyrei- As long as you get to share your ideas, I get to share mine. You believe there is no God, and you feel fine telling everyone that. I believe there is a God, and I feel fine telling everyone that. It's so simple |
I am not dis-entitling (??) you to your opinion. You are free to spout whatever nonsense you like. I hate being harrassed on the streets or at my front door by people who tell me I am wrong because their invisible friend says so. I do not go up to churches and tell them how misguided they are, so why the hell can't they just leave me the *beep* alone. If I want to be converted I'll go and sign up. Be a missionary if you (the "general you") if you want, just do it by yourself. If you believe in (and in some cases communicate with) your invisible friend, then how much of a stretch is it to convert other invisible people, thus fulfilling your destiny and making yourself feel better. Leave the rest of us in peace. |
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