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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Idiotic and childish responses serve the discussion in what way? |
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postfundie
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Listen...In case you haven't figured it out yet the earth has changed quite a bit over time...maybe you've heard of peopel finding sea creature fossils on top of mountains in Asia...If only some one had been there to stop that horrid event...Now the world is changing again...this time people will move from flooded coastal lands to Greenland...
ps. I support reducing emissions and loved Mayor Bloomberg's decision to phase out old taxis and replace them with hybrids...but gawd dam your 'chicken little sky is falling crap' |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| postfundie wrote: |
| Wha... ? |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: |
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I have an Twilight Zone episode where the earth shifts off its axis and everyone roasts to death. The ep had the young women as the main character but she was hallucinating and the angle was her POV until he last minute. The opposite was really true, it was getting colder. Pretty scary ep.
Society broke down as people abandoned, the power went off, water became scarce. Scary people came by. Global warming is the apocolypse.
I have a Isaac Asimov book of short stories about comets. One story was about a solar flare that was too big and it burned the Earth. The narrators were escaping in a balloon (1900) when they met the full heat wave. They whole thing took about a 4 days and as the earth turned, it would roast on one side and have a cooler night on the other. At the end people were jumping in the water (San Francisco) just as the water boiled. The narration ended as an air pressure wave hit the balloon and the narrarators were thrown out.
Pretty scary but if you play it right, it could be another Y2K. You could sell survival gear and $175 per hr IT support.
The North has more land, this will open up for people to move too. The places have plenty of water. Russia and Canada will finaly become livable but we can only move north so long, then its over. Then we fry. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| maybe I should buy land in Canada then....I still think Greenland is the best bet.... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: |
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you smelly hippie |
Ha!
Very, very few things put as big a smile on my face as hippie bashing! |
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dogshed
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Apparently unplugging all your electrical appliances whenever you leave the house saves a significant % of energy and carbon per year.
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So whenever you leave the house to go to work or for the weekend you should pull the cord on the fridge? |
It's the unplugging of certain appliances. I noticed my TV has a swith that turns it completely off. The remote won't work. I'm assuming this is to
keep it from running the circuits for the remote while you are not home
without having to unplug it. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| And people wonder how people like Bush and Blair get in office... |
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W.T.Carl
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmm. Greenland green again and open to animal husbandry, just like it was 1000 years ago. If it was that warm 1000 years ago, where did all that ice come from? Can you say "little ice age"? Can you say natural variations in climate? It wasn't all that long ago that these nuts were calling for another ice age. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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The uneducated on this issue think another Little Ice Age and Global Warming are separate things. They are not. Now, if you don't even understand the most basic of facts on this issue, why are you posting? Further, if you are only repeating the same mistaken tripe as posters above, why are you posting?
Let me educamate you: Thermohaline cycle reduction occurs due to increases in cold, fresh water going into the North Atlantic. That cold fresh water comes from... global warming. Get it? A new Little Ice Age is but one possible outcome. Hence, the switch to Climate Change vs. Global Warming. Climate Change is far more descriptive of the true nature of the possible environmental changes.
Greenland will be Green!!!! Oh, yay. And what of the rest of the world? |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Elftrainer,
I wish that you could just keep the world as it is for the rest of the world's natural life but that's just not going to happen now is it...Follow my advice and buy up land in Greenland, that way you can give to the land to your children's children's children who can then give it to the displaced people from Florida and other parts of the world...Also Northern Canada will be a good place to buy land as well.....Meanwhile I'm off to Nepal and Northern India to lament how that was once ocean from property...Damn Neanderthals and there climate change and all that continent moving that they did..... |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| postfundie wrote: |
Dear Elftrainer,
I wish that you could just keep the world as it is for the rest of the world's natural life but that's just not going to happen now is it |
Again, if you have no idea what the issues are, why are you opening your mouth? I've schooled you on the Little Ice Age, anything else you're too damned lazy to actually research? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: Bush Craps on Climate Agreement. What's new? |
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US rejects all proposals on climate change
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The US has rejected any prospect of a deal on climate change at the G8 summit in Germany next month, according to a leaked document.
...The tone is blunt, with whole pages of the draft crossed out and even the mildest statements about confirming previous agreements rejected. "The proposals within the sections titled 'Fighting Climate Change' and 'Carbon Markets' are fundamentally incompatible with the President's approach to climate change," says another red-ink comment.
...Before visiting the White House this month, the prime minister suggested that he was close to persuading George Bush to accept the establishment of carbon trading schemes, one of five main proposals drawn up ahead of the G8. But Washington rejected the sections on carbon trading, saying to back trading schemes would imply acceptance of emission caps.
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http://www.dailykos.com/
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The Bush Administration has been pretending for a couple of years that it acknowledges the reality of global warming. When it comes to more than words, however, the acknowledgment is nowhere to be found. And, as numerous doctored scientific reports and censored scientists attest, some words aren't allowed either.
By its behavior the Bush Administration simultaneously continues to make the United States the planet's biggest global warming generator and its most outrageous global warming denier.
On the same story, The New York Times reports:
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The push back by the Bush administration over the German proposal has left many European diplomats furious. "The United States, on this issue, is virtually isolated," one European diplomat said on condition of anonymity under diplomatic rules, and then added, "with the exception of other big polluters."
Both Ms. Merkel and Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain have, in private talks with President Bush, pushed for the United States to agree to the European proposal. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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A book review that points at the issue, post.
The Winds of Change : Climate, Weather, and the Destruction of Civilizations
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| The Winds of Change places the horrifying carnage unleashed on New Orleans, Mississippi, and Alabama by Hurricane Katrina in context.Climate has been humanity's constant, if moody, companion. At times benefactor or tormentor, climate nurtured the first stirrings of civilization and then repeatedly visited ruin on empires and peoples. Eugene Linden reveals a recurring pattern in which civilizations become prosperous and complacent during good weather, only to collapse when climate changes -- either through its direct effects, such as floods or drought, or indirect consequences, such as disease, blight, and civil disorder.The science of climate change is still young, and the interactions of climate with other historical forces are much debated, but the evidence mounts that climate loomed over the fate of societies from arctic Greenland to the Fertile Crescent and from the lost cities of the Mayans in Central America to the rain forests of Central Africa. Taking into account the uncertainties in both science and the historical record, Linden explores the evidence indicating that climate has been a serial killer of civilizations. The Winds of Change looks at the present and then to the future to determine whether the accused killer is on the prowl, and what it will do in the future.The tragedy of New Orleans is but the latest instance in which a region prepared for weather disasters experienced in the past finds itself helpless when nature ups the ante. In the closing chapters, Linden explores why warnings about the dangers of climate change have gone unheeded and what is happening with climate today, and he offers perhaps the most explicit look yet at what a haywire climate might do to us. He shows how even a society prepared to absorb such threshold-crossing events as Katrina, the killer heat wave in Europe in 2003, or the floods in the American Midwest in the 1990s can spiral into precipitous decline should such events intensify and become more frequent.The Winds of Change places climate change, global warming, and the resulting instability in historical context and sounds an urgent warning for the future. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe you people jump to such conclusions about what is happening when there is no real evidence to suggest that we caused this. You know how you all (actually me as well  ) complain about Koreans jumping on the bandwagon when something goes wrong without actually knowing the full story? That is what everyone else is doing right now. If the sea level used to be low and now it is much higher, wouldn't it be safe to say that this is not a new thing? I always thought that scientists were some of the smartest people on the planet. However, I learnt as a child that if you don't know the full story about something you should shut up. Generating this kind of fear before really knowing what is happening is one of the most stupid things I have seen in my life. There used to be a land bridge between Tasmania and Australia. The Bass straight is now one of the roughest seas in the world. Who caused that? The Aborigines? Not enough is known to be shooting their mouths off about it. |
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