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wire



Joined: 01 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If making (saving) money is your reason for coming to Korea, you shouldn't obsess over salary.

A salary keeps you legal. Privates make you money.

I would look for the least demanding job I could find.

Four classes a day is just right.

The average teacher's fuse is about 4 classes long.
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Areut



Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Location: Behind You!!!!

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wire wrote:
If making (saving) money is your reason for coming to Korea, you shouldn't obsess over salary.

A salary keeps you legal. Privates make you money.

I would look for the least demanding job I could find.

Four classes a day is just right.

The average teacher's fuse is about 4 classes long.


Yeah privates can make you money but could also get you fined and deported so I don't see where you would make money if that happens.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am only at 2.4 (I have a M.Ed., I have a TEFL certificate, I have over 20 years of teaching experience in the United States at elementary, secondary and university). Need I go on??

Damn. Why the hell aren't you teaching at an International School?

Due to lack of information/transparency in the job market, a lot of people accept jobs that are MUCH worse than the best that they're capable of getting. I know I did when I first came over.

To get more money I'd recommend either:

1. Finding a public school job with as few hours as possible and teach privates after work.

2. Come to Korea and interview for hagwon jobs in person.

3. Get a job at a test-prep (SAT/TOEFL/etc.) those sorts of places tend to pay more. They're also very seasonal, which can be annoying but next month a lot of those places are going to need a LOT of teachers in the richer neighborhoods of Seoul to teach thousands of Korean kids coming some from the states for summer vacation.
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wire



Joined: 01 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah privates can make you money but could also get you fined and deported so I don't see where you would make money if that happens.


If you get busted doing privates, accept it and move on.
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KWellsDear



Joined: 26 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first job in Korea paid 2.4 + 350,000 housing allowance. I taught 3-5 middle school classes a day.

I have BA and some kindergarten experience in the US.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also keep in mind that qualifications are often aren't imporant as:

-what country you come from
-age
-gender
-not being fat
-race
-attractiveness
etc.

If you're a young, white, blonde, attractive girl from the states with a 4-year degree in Communications and no relevant qualifications you can probably do a hell of a lot better than if you're a 50 year-old obese male black guy from South Africa with qualifications coming out of your ass.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the posters mentioned legal opportunities to make extra dosh from a public school.

I will give you my situation as an example.
I make 2.1 base (includes 100k rural bonus). That's a level 2 EPIK. Next contract, if I'm renewed, I will move to level 1 (2.3 base) cause this summer I will do a TEFL. The following year, with 2 years in my POE (level=1+), 2.5 base.

All the standard stuff applies. Housing, airfare, bonus, pension, health, return tickets.

Now the extras, and this applies to A LOT of schools. I don't know about ALL, but I think I can safely say a lot.

After School Program. 4 days a week....during school hours. You're there anyways, but it's extra money. I think standard is 30K per 45 minute class. I get a little more, but that's something else (See the, "big fat envelope" thread.). That's 120 a week, 480 a month. It's only for 100 classes during the school year, and the first 20 are free, so 80 X 30 = 2.4 million. They're not taxing those earnings.

Camps. I'm in a rural area. Few foreigners. Every school gets an allowance to do camps. In my POE, it was 1.4 million. From Nov through Jan I do camps on the weekends. Minimum 4 hours. Max 16 hours (8 hours sat and sun). 30K per hour. Last Nov-Jan I pulled in just shy of 5 million for those (but I worked my butt off). This summer I expect 3 million. They're not taxing this either.

So, over a school year, my salary averaged over the months works out to a little more than 2.96 million won a month. That's not including pension and bonus. If Idid it that way, it would out to about 3.3 per month.

Time off. Lots. In the past six weeks, I have had ONE full work week. This week I have a five day holiday. Last week was a four day work week. Well, it was supposed to be. My alternate school was doing midterms so they didn't need me. I asked to pick up some extra classes at my regular school because a few classes were falling behind (I had only seen them three times instead of the five with everyone else.) My co-workers were shocked. Think of currency. By spending my day at my regular school working as I would normally instead of goofing off, I gained cred and currency far beyond the effort I put in. At least at my school, I get out of it what I put in.

I hope that helps.
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand you guys telling the OP to settle for less.

My first job was with CDI, which sucked for every reason except the pay. That was 2.7/month, although I paid for my own housing, and worked 24 hours a week, only 4 days. Picked up a couple privates and was up to 4.0/month for around 35 hours a week. That burnt me out along with having to deal with CDI.

After that I shopped around while in Korea (best bet really) but with some experience and CDI training certification (woohoo!), I did more than fine.
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KWellsDear



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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My fiance works for CDI and makes pretty good money.
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goodgood



Joined: 22 Nov 2006
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Masta_Don wrote:
I don't understand you guys telling the OP to settle for less.

My first job was with CDI, which sucked for every reason except the pay. That was 2.7/month, although I paid for my own housing, and worked 24 hours a week, only 4 days. Picked up a couple privates and was up to 4.0/month for around 35 hours a week. That burnt me out along with having to deal with CDI.

After that I shopped around while in Korea (best bet really) but with some experience and CDI training certification (woohoo!), I did more than fine.


Is this supposed to be a success story? Most people don't want to have terrible lives while we're here- and CDI is no secret- everybody knows about it. More pay, many more hassles.

Just cause a job pays more, it doesn't mean you should take it.
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Donkey Beer



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of crap jobs and a lot of recruiters trying really hard to push these lemons.

My advice is use as many recruiters as possible. Talk to them as if they're you're only recruiter but just lay down what you'll settle for. Some of the crappy recruiters will try to force you to take a crap job. Just don't talk to them anymore and continue on your merry way with your other 15 recruiters.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jobs offering higher pay are more readily available if you're already in Korea.


That is one reason.

The other could be...where are you applying? (what type of schools).
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Masta_Don wrote:
I don't understand you guys telling the OP to settle for less.

My first job was with CDI, which sucked for every reason except the pay. That was 2.7/month, although I paid for my own housing, and worked 24 hours a week, only 4 days. Picked up a couple privates and was up to 4.0/month for around 35 hours a week. That burnt me out along with having to deal with CDI.

After that I shopped around while in Korea (best bet really) but with some experience and CDI training certification (woohoo!), I did more than fine.


If you do consider the value of the provided housing to us - including the basic furniture ... It does add up .... The rent that my school is paying for where I am - which is basic studio or one-room (plus bathroom) is 360,000 a month ... That is money I don't have to find out of what I am earning .... I am happy earning what I am earning at the moment ... in my public school ... I do have "qualifications" to perhaps do better .... but as someone I am sure has already said ... It can be easier to find jobs like that when you are in the country ... At this stage I am planning teaching English as a long term career move ... Either here or in Australia ... in either case the experience I am getting here at the moment is priceless ... And to me it is more than just a way to earn as much money as I can as quickly as I can .... even if money was a part of the reason ... but not the main reason why I chose Korea as my destination.
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insam



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saxiif wrote:

Damn. Why the hell aren't you teaching at an International School?


For a real accredited international school you would also need certification in the field or area you would be teaching (not TEFL, unless strangely the 'international school' had an esl program). If the person has that (e.g. secondary education, Biology whatever) then yes, s/he should go for the international school. You have lots more work and responsibilities during semesters (including extracurricular responsibilites and events after school hours, professional development requirements etc) but get nice benefits, pay, and plenty of vacation. On the topic of privates, parents will pay boat loads when they know you teach at an international school.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP- These schools NEED you- and you have many options available. If any school treats you like crap during the interview, then just move on. It's their loss.
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