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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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 Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote: |
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| wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote: |
Well, if Japan is too expensive - get yourself to Vietnam. Vietnam is the hidden secret of making good coin in Asia. You can stay at a guest house, they will only ask you to pay rent at the end of the month. Jobs pay well there, considering how cheap food and everything there is. But Vietnam will drive you nuts; still your cheapest and most viable option though. Hot and easy ladies, too. Of course you can't trust most of them, but hey, better than your current scenario in any case.
And, of course, the beer, local food, and Western food is cheaper and way better than the crap in Korea. |
Do I need a visa to go to Vietnam? Is it easy or hard to find a job when you get there? I know nothing, so I'll need info on what to do. |
Yeah, you'll need a visa. Fly to Bangkok from Seoul (cheaper than flying to Vietnam in any case), and then get your visa there. But it sounds like your boss is out for blood; don't give him the satisfaction. It is hard to win against a Korean in a dispute like this in any case. And at least Vietnamese girls are easier I guess... |
Do I get a tourist visa, then, and do a visa run for a work visa? |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Well, get a tourist visa or a business visa. You do NOT need a work visa in Vietnam; the laws are slack. You can teach anywhere, and just pay the 30 bucks to renew your visa every three months or whatever. It is not like Korea; the laws are lax there. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: [EMERGENCY] Advice needed |
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Okay, so I took a job in Seoul...they started me right away, and were planning on sending me on my visa run in a couple weeks. They had a lot of problems, so I left after 16 days. They paid me, everything was square, so I took off.
I come back to the city I had worked in previously, run into my old boss, and he finds out I told some of the coworkers at my old hagwan about how he beat up this one teacher who worked there. So he tells me that he's going to immigration tomorrow to tell them that I worked illegally at this other hagwan as revenge for me spilling the beans on him.
Then one of the teachers gets off work that night and I meet up with her, and she told me that he wasn't just blowing smoke. He's coming in a little late because he has to stop at immigration on the way into work.
Should I be worried? Or are they going to take this as another hagwan owner ranting about a former teacher? Will I get stopped next time I try to leave the country? What are the likely/possible consequences? I'd like to hear from people that have some experience, if possible. |
No wonder why you were so adamant about not running background checks for illegal teachers who wanted to join this proposed union of yours...you were one of them.
Seriously, why would you or the other hakwon tell him that you were working there illegally? How did he find out?
Better leave while the going's good.
EDIT: Isn't tomorrow a HOLIDAY? And your school is open that day? |
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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: [EMERGENCY] Advice needed |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
No wonder why you were so adamant about not running background checks for illegal teachers who wanted to join this proposed union of yours...you were one of them. |
I worked there for two weeks, starting in May. We had that discussion two months ago, dude. And lots of places start you right away and then send you on a visa run later.
Let's not get off-topic. I'm asking for help from knowledgable people. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Did you KNOW you were working illegally?  You may be able to pay a fine by pleading stupidity ("I didn't know the law. I'm sorry.") It has worked for others. But it may not. It was only two weeks, but you still did break the law.
So, while you were teaching illegally, you made sure others knew about it and you did something to get them angry? Not too smart. Maybe a life lesson for the future.
Plus, you posted on this site in support of illegal teachers? |
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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Plus, you posted on this site in support of illegal teachers? |
No, I never posted on the site in support of illegal teachers. I said that a foreign teachers association should condemn those that were here attempting to make an illegal living, but that we could not regulate the problem, as a trade association is not equipped to do so. |
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desperation
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Those who know, won't say and those who say, don't know. Welcome to Dave's !
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: [EMERGENCY] Advice needed |
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No wonder why you were so adamant about not running background checks for illegal teachers who wanted to join this proposed union of yours...you were one of them. |
I worked there for two weeks, starting in May. We had that discussion two months ago, dude. And lots of places start you right away and then send you on a visa run later.
Let's not get off-topic. I'm asking for help from knowledgable people. |
1st of all, had you done research, you'd know NEVER accept a job where they expect you to work illegally....its a quagmire. Yours, is one common example, another could be...they are unregistered, going to renegotiate or something, on and on. This was something that efl-law.com or this board would have clearly warned you not to do.
Since you made a dumb mistake, I can especially relate to you! 
I think the problem other people are dancing around (if I'm right) is that if ya get sued, you are not ALLOWED to leave until its all done. I think they throw you in jail if you have no job and its just an immigration violation (no job) to jail you and you still are held to be sued? I think. Check that out. But being sued you are going to lose. But I do not think he can prove he lost business, wait a second, a note from his cousin saying she is scared of his violence....oh man. If it were me, I'd not leave, I'd step out. I'd hop into a hostel or something and tell the people where I live to let me know if I get pigs looking for me. And I'd hide out just looking for new jobs and be optimisitic. So many times in my life I had all evidence and advice that I was screwed and NOTHING ever happend. SO SO many times, just remember that you probably have to. See if you can be slick and avoid drama, and you need to call that illegal boss and meet IN PERSON and make sure you feel 100% safe he got you covered and will bury that other dude. I mean its his business on the line not just your tushy. If he seems shady, or worse tells you he confessed or was questioned or anything bad.....bounce, do not go to vietnam, go to taiwan 1st. I have friends there that will take care of you. Seriously, they own hostels in taipei and will pick you up from the airport bus and bring you to the hostel or wherever you need. GOod people, pm me if you need to. Good luck. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| go to taiwan 1st. I have friends there that will take care of you. Seriously, they own hostels in taipei and will pick you up from the airport bus and bring you to the hostel or wherever you need. GOod people, pm me if you need to. Good luck. |
There ya go! That is the kind of attitude we need!
Good job.
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desperation
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Those who know, won't say and those who say, don't know. Welcome to Dave's !
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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And another one bites the dust (yellow). Got a PM from the OP in the airport headed for Seatle.  |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| And another one bites the dust (yellow). : |
And so does another proposed association...yet again. [Sigh]
"When will they ever learn?"
"When will they ever learrrrnnn?" |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Seriously, wouldn't the hogwan owner be cutting off his own nose as it were having been an illegal employer? Would that not open him for investigation into the legallity of all of his employees past and present.
So if the OP is reading this in seatle, sorry I didn't see your post sooner.
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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
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| And another one bites the dust (yellow). : |
And so does another proposed association...yet again. [Sigh]
"When will they ever learn?"
"When will they ever learrrrnnn?" |
You make a lot of assumptions. Just because I left, doesn't mean I won't go back (soon). |
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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: Re: [EMERGENCY] Advice needed |
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| desperation wrote: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
No wonder why you were so adamant about not running background checks for illegal teachers who wanted to join this proposed union of yours...you were one of them. |
I worked there for two weeks, starting in May. We had that discussion two months ago, dude. And lots of places start you right away and then send you on a visa run later.
Let's not get off-topic. I'm asking for help from knowledgable people. |
1st of all, had you done research, you'd know NEVER accept a job where they expect you to work illegally....its a quagmire. Yours, is one common example, another could be...they are unregistered, going to renegotiate or something, on and on. This was something that efl-law.com or this board would have clearly warned you not to do.
Since you made a dumb mistake, I can especially relate to you!
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THe dumb mistake wasn't working illegally. When you're in-country and they need someone right away, it is a very common practice. You and I may disagree as to whether or not it is an acceptable risk, but the risk (and subsequent problem) didn't come from the hagwan that employed me illegally. I quit like 3 days before they were going to send me to Fukuoka (because I could walk scott free, no contract to bog me down, letter of release to acquire, etc).
The dumb mistake was getting chummy with my old boss about my new job, and then pissing him off really badly. |
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desperation
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Those who know, won't say and those who say, don't know. Welcome to Dave's !
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Dude, it was an unholy trinity of bad attitude. First of all, there are almost NO acceptable risks in a country that plays like and Asian Country. Don't be so casual about creating liabilities for yourself. Its all about exploitation of weaknesses and you can't show you are crooked to Anybody. Even girlfriends or coworkers can do you in. This is hard to expect but do expect it.
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1. Create a very public/open liability that can get you fined, imprisoned, deorted or all 3.
2. Talk shizzle about somebody who is a figure in the community, has all your personal passport info, a person you detest --- and actaully tell them exactly where they can find you in the future.
3. Leave without actually knowing if anything has come of what was rumored to be happening. How many people saw him file what reports? Where are the copies?
Its a short road home but a co$tly one indeed. and it tends to begin with "acceptable risks". I warned you in PMs that this is a cookie-cutter scenario whose archetype will always remain, and the components are endless......very easy to fall into a new, yet oh so similar archetype that has your tail between your leggs again. It all comes down to money and immigration rights and freedom. Don't compromise any of those 3 important resources and you will succeed. Compromising all 3 is many a young foreigner's undoing.
Zoom out, then STUDY WHAT ELSE NOT TO DO. Then maybe, just maybe, you can get a straight answer from the Koreans if you are on a banned list for doing illegal stuff! Then try again. I hope you got plenty of money honey. It can take a long time to bounce back when you are paying your way each day. Got your old american job back yet? Sell your car before you left? Lost your apt in Seatle? Was this not really a big deal for you? |
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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Got your old american job back yet? Sell your car before you left? Lost your apt in Seatle? Was this not really a big deal for you? |
I'm a business owner. Still have my car. I have friends I can stay with.
This was not really a big deal. Actually, it was sort of a good thing because my business is entering a busy time and I can run it better from the states. |
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