|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
|
 Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| Quote: |
I was once a vegan. But well before I became pregnant, I concluded that a vegan pregnancy was irresponsible. You cannot create and nourish a robust baby merely on foods from plants.
|
These people are absolute vermin.
Plants are carbon Dioxide breathers. Eating them therefore contributes to the greenhouse effect. Animals by contrast are oxygen breathers/thieves.
I do enjoy vegetables myself actually, but be an environmentalist: kill animals and support nuclear power. Might wanna bump a few oxygen-robbing excuses for humanity off while we're at it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
I did the exercise with my grade six (and one grade four) students today from Interchange where you ask how many times a week do you eat meat/fish, vegetables, fruits, etc. I was surprised at how many said once or twice a week for meat/fish.
Meat or fish only once or twice a week?
I'm going to do some further investigations next week. They must be thinking about the main portions of their dinner. There has to be more meat and/or fish in their diets than that. Like at least a little or something. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
| This was murder though? I think they just used the vegan thing to murder the kid. They could have had it on a vegan diet and not killed it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
SarcasmKills
Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
Their neglect killed their baby... From the article, it seems to me if the baby would have been on a proper diet it would've lived.
They deserve to be arrested. Veganism is a choice people make when they're older.. it shouldn't be imposed on infants... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
|
|
| SarcasmKills wrote: |
Their neglect killed their baby... From the article, it seems to me if the baby would have been on a proper diet it would've lived.
They deserve to be arrested. Veganism is a choice people make when they're older.. it shouldn't be imposed on infants... |
Yea but I heard somewhere that they were relatively new vegans and they weren't using a proper vegan baby diet. It seems like an excuse so they could murder the baby. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Wrench wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
From what I understand of that case, the baby died because it's parents didn't know that soy milk isn't a good breast milk replacement. There's a fairly obvious snarky comment here, but I'm not going to make it.
Veganism can be healhy, but it takes a lot of work and thought to make it so, especially when you're dealing with babies and kids. |
The parents were morons.. There is a reason females lactate when pregnant.. They must have failed high school biology. |
You must have failed to research the issue before you posted. Vegan mothers do breastfeed their infants. And at that age, the only thing that child should have been eating was his mother's milk - but a lot more of it. The media may as well start emphasizing the religious or ethnic backgrounds of parents involved in these cases. The Shakurs' alleged veganism was just as irrelevant here.
Last edited by Bramble on Fri May 25, 2007 9:19 am; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
| jmbran11 wrote: |
I suggest that you all read the book "Eat to Live" by Dr. Joel Furman or the results of the China-Oxford Nutritional Study cited therewithin (there is also another book devoted to explaining the study).
They explain why veganism is actually the healthiest diet possible, assuming you do it right, and that primarily vegan societies (like some regions of rural China) have much lower rates of many diseases, such as heart disease, breast cancer, colon cancer, and diabetes - just to name a few. The key is to eat a wide variety of vegetable and whole grains, which takes some effort and readjusting one's tastebuds. The idea that meat and/or dairy products are somehow healthy or needed is a falacy that has been driven into us by consumer advertising and that famous food pyramid produced by the USDA (whose job is, coincidentally, increasing meat and dairy consumption in the U.S. to aid farmers).
I challenge anyone to provide scientific evidence that veganism is unhealthy.
As far as the parents whose child died, that wasn't due them being vegans, that was because they failed to feed their child enough. Vegan does not equal starvation. While I wouldn't defend the parents for putting their own beliefs ahead of their child's welfare, using this as an attack on veganism is over-simplification.
Every study I've come across finds that children fed a vegetable-based diet grow up to be healthier adults who learn better nutritional habits and show lower rates of disease. But, hey, why would we want that for our kids when we can just shove a burger in their mouth and pretend it's the healthy thing to do. |
Good post. Unfortunately this board doesn't seem to be big on factual accuracy or scientific evidence. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
When my sister was born she was on a vegan diet, my aunt helped with the diet for two years. She had a very complete vbegan diet which was designed by a vegan nutrionist.. For the two years that she was a vegan she was sick all the time. Changed nutrionist and included meat and dairy and other animal products and she became healthy once more.
|
What do you mean, your sister was BORN on a vegan diet? What do you mean, the diet was "designed by a vegan nutritionist"? Didn't your mother breastfeed her child? No vegan nutritionist would recommend any other "diet" for a newborn. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
All of the vegans and vegetarians I've known have been pale, pasty, overly thin, and also lethargic and depressive. They also seem to be emotionally unstable and highly sensitive.
Humans have been eating meat since the beginning, and we're still here, so you can't tell me it's unhealthy. My final breakdown, veganism is definitely an unhealthy diet. Vegetarianism however can be reasonably healthy if very well worked out. But a diet that is based mainly on fresh vegetables and fruit, but that also includes meat, fish, poultry, grains, etc, is the most healthy diet of all. A quick look at the indigenous diets of the world shows that most peoples have eaten meat most of the time. That, plus eating meat just feels right, and feels healthy, so that's good enough for me. I went vego for 6 months, and did it properly too, but lost energy and lost weight, and most of all, was less happy. I love meat, and love feeling vigorous and robust and happy, so I intend to party on in my usual way. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Does a vegan diet make people as annoying & crabby-assed as hall monitors? Or is that type just naturally drawn to nuts, berries & tubers? Have there been studies? |
I suppose I'm expecting too much from the posters and mods on this board. Factual accuracy - what's that? Willingness to research why this baby died and sort fact from fiction - why bother? Responsible posting behaviour - i.e., having the decency to refrain from making defamatory statements against all vegan parents, when most parents who neglect their children aren't vegan or even close to it ...
Right. Anyone with those expectations is really annoying. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| Animals by contrast are oxygen breathers/thieves. |
Imagine somebody paying a farmer to keep breeding more of them.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bramble wrote: |
| Quote: |
When my sister was born she was on a vegan diet, my aunt helped with the diet for two years. She had a very complete vbegan diet which was designed by a vegan nutrionist.. For the two years that she was a vegan she was sick all the time. Changed nutrionist and included meat and dairy and other animal products and she became healthy once more.
|
What do you mean, your sister was BORN on a vegan diet? What do you mean, the diet was "designed by a vegan nutritionist"? Didn't your mother breastfeed her child? No vegan nutritionist would recommend any other "diet" for a newborn. |
She was breast fed but after she was able to handle solid foods it was all based vegan. It didn't work out, she was sick all the time, had two ear infections, kidney infections and other problems.
Your a tool looking to start a flame war. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bramble wrote: |
| Wrench wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
From what I understand of that case, the baby died because it's parents didn't know that soy milk isn't a good breast milk replacement. There's a fairly obvious snarky comment here, but I'm not going to make it.
Veganism can be healhy, but it takes a lot of work and thought to make it so, especially when you're dealing with babies and kids. |
The parents were morons.. There is a reason females lactate when pregnant.. They must have failed high school biology. |
You must have failed to research the issue before you posted. Vegan mothers do breastfeed their infants. And at that age, the only thing that child should have been eating was his mother's milk - but a lot more of it. The media may as well start emphasizing the religious or ethnic backgrounds of parents involved in these cases. The Shakurs' alleged veganism was just as irrelevant here. |
WTF are you talking about.. THE PARENTS DIDN"T BREAST FEED! THERE IS A REASON WHY FEMALES LACTATE WHEN THEY HAVE CHILDREN. What you can't put 2+2 together. It was stated they didn't breast feed. "Mrs. Swinton said she chose not to breast-feed IIce" If they were so phucking health conscious then they should have know that breast feeding new borns is very important. High school level biology explained breast milk. I don't drink dairy products mainly because humans are not supposed to consume milk because 1) wrong species 2) lactose intolerance 3) we only need milk when we are devloping at young age and only source is supposed to be human milk. 4) Anti-bodies and imune system boosters for the infant are found in human milk. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bramble wrote: |
| Wrench wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
From what I understand of that case, the baby died because it's parents didn't know that soy milk isn't a good breast milk replacement. There's a fairly obvious snarky comment here, but I'm not going to make it.
Veganism can be healhy, but it takes a lot of work and thought to make it so, especially when you're dealing with babies and kids. |
The parents were morons.. There is a reason females lactate when pregnant.. They must have failed high school biology. |
You must have failed to research the issue before you posted. |
I was going based on this article here
| Quote: |
A vegan couple were sentenced Wednesday to life in prison for the death of their malnourished 6-week-old baby boy, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice. |
and as for wether veganism was a factor:
| Quote: |
| "No matter how many times they want to say, 'We're vegans, we're vegetarians,' that's not the issue in this case," said prosecutor Chuck Boring. "The child died because he was not fed. Period.'' |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
