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Sincere question about missionaries!
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why all the knotted knickers over being approached by a missionary. Just say no thank you and go on your way.

Rolling Eyes
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

contrarian wrote:
Why all the knotted knickers over being approached by a missionary. Just say no thank you and go on your way.

Rolling Eyes


Because I'm trying to watch porn and they keep knocking on my door, or I'm on my way to buy porn and they get in the way! Mad

Damn it! Why am posting here when I could be watching porn! Is joining a church gonna get me more porn? Will giving money to God get me more porn? Maybe that's why God needs all that money! Yeah I know about that room in the Vatican, the one with all the forbidden knowledge, with all the PORN!
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blynch



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

superacidjax wrote:
Demophobe wrote:
I asked a simple question....are you as stupid in person or not?


I'm not stupid anywhere. Wanna compare SAT, GRE and MCAT scores?


Yes, I would love to:

1. express the sum of 3 consecutive even integers as a function of n where n is the least integer. (math)

2. a ball is projected horizontaly with a velocity V of 10m/sec. Find its position and velocity after 1 sec. (physics)

3. Calculate the volume of 0.3 N base necessary to neutralize 3 liters of 0.01 N nitric acid. (chem)

4. what is the potential energy source that directly drives ATP production by ATP synthase? (bio)
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just alittlecrazy



Joined: 30 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdx wrote:
I, too, have issues with how the Bible was brought together and it being put together by men, etc. However, it's my faith and even when I questioned all of that, I still believed. I have no idea why, but I do.

As for the Old Testament vs New Testament... the Old Testament is really the history of God's people over time. I mean- of COURSE we are going to be reading Genesis (the beginning of the earth and tons of stories) and Exodus (the flight of God's people), etc. The Psalms are worship to God. The prophets foretold things in the future- they foretold the coming of Jesus. Those things are important.

As for the laws, the laws vary from Old Testament to New Testament. It's important (for another reason), also, because Jesus calls upon the Old Testament while he preaches. They're not separate- they're very much intertwined. Among themselves, Christians often argue about things, such as whether the old testament is relevant when we talk about how we live our lives today or what effect Jesus had on the old laws, etc. He was the new law, but many Christians still try to quote Old Testament for practical living.

Anyway- blah blah blah.


pdx and xian have a pretty good understanding from a christian view point and have explained things well but like the nonchristains here they argue without really understanding the bible. for example:
It is a collection of books, each having different authors and editors (cf gen 1 & 2 order of creation).
The first five establish the mythology (partly based on sumerian mythology) and social structure of the hebrews.
The ten commandments are only the first 10 of 613 commandments applicable only to jews.
The prophets and poetry are a record of jewish history and the final order of the jewish bible was decided by rabbis. originally the book of esther wasn't going to be included because it doesn't mention G-d.
jews used to proselytize until christains gave it a bad name by shoving their sandals in peoples doorways.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent superacidjax an apology and I am, once again - but this time for real - done with these threads full of the usuals spouting the usual.
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it that atheists don't often go round trying to convert people? Anyway, I don't trust anyone who feels the need to come out and promote their ideas one on one. If the idea is strong it will flourish, and pushing it just shows lack of belief in the strength of the idea. No one likes being manipulated. Don't insult my intelligence. Do me a favour and presume that I too, just like you, have taken the time to think through the issues and arrive at my own conclusions.
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Xian



Joined: 08 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori
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Why is it that atheists don't often go round trying to convert people?


Christians promote their belief because we believe there is a truth and a life changing substance to the message (life changing, both now and for eternity). Maybe athiests just aren't impacted by the substance of their 'gospel'.
I personally believe that Atheists have nothing to offer, wouldn't that be a good enough reason to not go around trying to preach the 'life changing wonders of atheism'.
A discerning Christian will not usually preach the message beyond the point that they realize someone is not going to receive their message, but there will always be Christians promoting the Gospel.
You know, when you get people knoching on your door or approaching you in the street, so often they are cults that appear similar to Christianity, not Chrisitan themselves. Like Mormons and JWs.

Satori
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Anyway, I don't trust anyone who feels the need to come out and promote their ideas one on one. If the idea is strong it will flourish, and pushing it just shows lack of belief in the strength of the idea.


Hasn't it flourished since the time of Christ?
It takes a lot of guts to go up to someone to preach one on one. If people didn't really believe the message, there is no way that they would be able to promote the idea.
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Richard Krainium



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the OP - The missionary position is ok, but I recommend you experiment with a few others.
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