|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
|
 Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
contrarian wrote:
| Quote: |
| Nuclear weapons across the Yalu, yes |
Well, that makes you a warmonger in my book and therefore not worth spit to argue with. Frankly, I find it appalling that you'd be so quick to use nuclear weapons. How many nukes would you have dropped to get Mao out of power, when he was at the time riding a huge wave of popularity?
And if we went to war with China now, do you think they wouldn't use any of their tactical nuclear weapons?
I suppose it's too much to ask you to consider the staggering casualties or the fact that the vast majority of the soldiers in the Red Army at that time were not volunteers. I know: I met and talked with three who were translators at the time and are still kicking in Beijing. They were all pressed into service along with hundreds of thousands more.
Do you even have a moral position in this regard? "Better dead than Red" sounds nice until you apply it to every world conflict. Then it becomes a war slogan.
My family has three generations of military men and it frankly disgusts me to here this kind of hawk talk in this day and age.
You're sounding like one of those paramilitary militia wacko who runs around in the woods playing soldier. Crawl back into your foxhole. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Steve, you are a disgrace to conservatism. Your moral fibre is as rotten as that of Big Bird or freethought. This thread has unmasked you. Im sure you have 4 generations of sellouts on your family so you should know the meaning of that word. perhaps Chamberlain was one of your ancestors. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
jinju wrote:
| Quote: |
| Steve, you are a disgrace to conservatism |
I never claimed to be one from the get-go. Read some of my previous posts and you'll find out that I'm a moderate with conservative leanings on some issues.
What American political life desperately needs is some moderation.
You, on the other hand, are just another crackpot.
Now run along and play your little video war games with contrarian.
Easy for you to be bellicose when you do not need to face the consequences of your stance. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Im sure just like your uncle who was a butcher for 90 years of the 19 generations of military men in your family or the 9975 taiwanese you know personally, there are plenty of crackpots in your family, eh steve?
The fact is you are a sell out without a backbone. Call yourself a moderate, Ill get right 'round that euphamism and call you a moral and political coward. I now have more respect for Big Bird than I do for you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
|
| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
|
|
jinju wrote:
| Quote: |
| Ill get right 'round that euphamism and call you a moral and political coward. I now have more respect for Big Bird than I do for you. |
I don't need nor do I seek your approval.
Here, chew on this newly released article for awhile (try to read past the first few paragraphs if your attention span can hold out that long:
| Quote: |
U.S.: China lacks power for Taiwan fight By FOSTER KLUG, AP May 26
The Pentagon is warning China in blunt language that despite Beijing's massive military buildup, it lacks the power for a successful attack against rival Taiwan.
The annual report on China's military, released Friday, is likely to add to rising tension between Washington and Beijing at a time when U.S. lawmakers are considering bills that would punish China for what they contend are predatory trade practices.
The report was released on the day the largest high-level Chinese delegation ever to visit the United States left Washington after economic meetings with frustrated lawmakers and with senior Bush administration officials yielded few results.
In the report, the Defense Department explicitly describes what would happen if China should attack Taiwan, the self-governing democratic island that Beijing claims as its own. It says China does not yet have "the military capability to accomplish with confidence its political objectives on the island, particularly when confronted with the prospect of U.S. intervention."
An attack could severely damage China's economy and lead to international sanctions, spur a Taiwan insurgency that could tie up the Chinese military for years, and possibly cause Beijing to lose its coveted hosting rights for the 2008 Olympics, the report said.
"Finally, China's leaders recognize that a conflict over Taiwan involving the United States would give rise to a long-term hostile relationship between the two nations � a result that would not be in China's interests," the report said.
Michael Pillsbury, a former Pentagon official who now serves as an adviser on China issues, called the Taiwan language the "most blunt warning in any U.S. document in history to China of the really bad things that will happen if they attack Taiwan."
The Chinese Embassy did not return messages Friday seeking comment on the Pentagon report. But China has reacted angrily to previous reports and has insisted that its multibillion-dollar military buildup is defensive.
The report comes after high-level U.S.-China economic meetings this week failed to reach any breakthrough on the countries' biggest economic dispute: China's currency, which American manufacturers say is undervalued by as much as 40 percent. That makes Chinese products cheaper for Americans and U.S. goods more expensive in China.
The Pentagon report also said the People's Liberation Army has been acquiring better missiles, submarines and aircraft and should more fully explain the purpose of a military buildup that has led some to view China as a threat. It noted, however, that "the PLA remains untested in modern warfare."
Loren Thompson, a defense analyst with the Lexington Institute, said China's military still is relatively modest, despite the country's huge population and booming economy.
"There really isn't much in China's military programs that would lead you to the conclusion that they want to do anything beyond being influential in East Asia," he said.
If the Bush administration were truly worried about the possibility of a Chinese military challenge, he said, it would be rethinking the vibrant trade ties between the countries, which it has yet to do.
"If China was really a threat, would we be moving our factories there at the rate of one a day?" he asked. "During the Cold War, nobody in America ever proposed building television sets or cars in Russia." |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
|
| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| "If China was really a threat, would we be moving our factories there at the rate of one a day?" he asked. "During the Cold War, nobody in America ever proposed building television sets or cars in Russia." |
This was the one point that I disagreed with. Greed seems to go hand in hand with stupidity at times, so for some of these companies. They would stay there until it was too late to do anything. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
jinju wrote:
| Quote: |
| Ill get right 'round that euphamism and call you a moral and political coward. I now have more respect for Big Bird than I do for you. |
I don't need nor do I seek your approval. |
Actually this is where you are wrong. yet again Steve-o.
See, I dont give a crap about what China can or cannot do. The point isnt as much China as it is YOU failing to fall on the side of a democracy. You approve of China's position vis a vis Taiwan which makes you unfit to associate with those of us who value freedom and democracy above all else. China's military capability is irrelevent here, your rotten morals are not. Sellout. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
|
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
jinju wrote:
| Quote: |
| You approve of China's position vis a vis Taiwan which makes you unfit to associate with those of us who value freedom and democracy above all else |
I volunteered to enlist in the good fight. I didn't play it on a video game like you.
I happen to believe that Taiwan is a part of mainland China. It is separate from the issue of democracy. That doesn't mean I believe we should back out of our agreements with Taiwan.
So the only thing that "sold out" is your bankrupt thinking. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
jinju wrote:
| Quote: |
| You approve of China's position vis a vis Taiwan which makes you unfit to associate with those of us who value freedom and democracy above all else |
I volunteered to enlist in the good fight. I didn't play it on a video game like you.
I happen to believe that Taiwan is a part of mainland China. It is separate from the issue of democracy. That doesn't mean I believe we should back out of our agreements with Taiwan.
So the only thing that "sold out" is your bankrupt thinking. |
So heres where we differ. Unlike you I believe that as long as there is a government in Taiwan that is democratically elected and whose aim is to maintain seperation from China Taiwan belongs to Taiwan. Conversely, until the Taiwanese dont explicitely vote for a pro-unification government, Taiwan belongs to Taiwan not to China.
I also think that agreements with taiwan are really pathetic. Taian needs our total support which means full diplomatic relatons and full membreship in the UN...just like any other COUNTRY.
Oh, you volunteered? So what happened Steve-o? Why are you not in the army now Steve-o? Did you fail the basic intelligence requirements, or are you simply blowing smoke out of your ass AGAIN? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
|
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| I happen to believe that Taiwan is a part of mainland China. It is separate from the issue of democracy. |
I guess I don't agree with you as there was no real control by supposed China. By the way, should China control Hawaiii because a number of Han Chinese managed to land there a number of years ago?
Sorry, Taiwan is the opposite of the Chinese government and they have more right to the control of china as at least they have for the first time in Chinese history came to offer chinese (peasents) (I have been here too long, my spelling is going to ---) a true role in thier government.
I can only hope that Taiwan will stay independent long enough for Taiwan to become a opposition party of mainland china rather than a casulty of its aggression.
; |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
|
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
I happen to believe that Taiwan is a part of mainland China. It is separate from the issue of democracy. That doesn't mean I believe we should back out of our agreements with Taiwan. |
In fairness to Steve,
A) Many Taiwanese, almost half, also believe that Taiwan constitutes a part of China or should in the future.
B) The opinion he presented above is essentially the US government's official position as well. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
|
| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: |
|
|
Kuros wrote:
| Quote: |
In fairness to Steve,
A) Many Taiwanese, almost half, also believe that Taiwan constitutes a part of China or should in the future.
B) The opinion he presented above is essentially the US government's official position as well. |
Yes, and thank you for saying so.
But don't confuse jinju with facts. He has a Mao voodoo doll he pokes every night.
Last edited by stevemcgarrett on Wed May 30, 2007 8:39 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
|
| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
I sympathize with you Steve. I hear where you are coming from. Reasonable logical arguments just don't jive with Jinjackass. You really have to take him with a mountain of salt. Once you see him as an internet addicted loser with no life is when you almost start to take pity on him. So starved for attention, even negative attention is craved. He delights in sowing discord and hatred simply from the fact that it will generate more attention for himself.
He himself has admitted he sees everything in black and white. His simplistic point of view and obvious serious lack of historical awareness leads him to say the stupid things he does. Once you have learned to accept that is when you learn to tolerate him better.
Anyway, question for you Jinjackass. Who would you say was more brutal? Qing China with Korea as a vassal state for hundreds of years or Japan with Korea as a colony in the 20th century. You have empatically stated many times how wicked and evil both of these countries are. Kind of curious... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Guri Guy wrote: |
I sympathize with you Steve. I hear where you are coming from. Reasonable logical arguments just don't jive with Jinjackass. You really have to take him with a mountain of salt. Once you see him as an internet addicted loser with no life is when you almost start to take pity on him. So starved for attention, even negative attention is craved. He delights in sowing discord and hatred simply from the fact that it will generate more attention for himself.
He himself has admitted he sees everything in black and white. His simplistic point of view and obvious serious lack of historical awareness leads him to say the stupid things he does. Once you have learned to accept that is when you learn to tolerate him better.
Anyway, question for you Jinjackass. Who would you say was more brutal? Qing China with Korea as a vassal state for hundreds of years or Japan with Korea as a colony in the 20th century. You have empatically stated many times how wicked and evil both of these countries are. Kind of curious... |
Whats next sock, ask me to choose between Hitler and Stalin? We already established you are a brown shirt |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
|
| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Such hatred Jinjackass. You know the old saying, "Anger is one letter from danger". Maybe this will help you:
Anger Management Class Schedule for All Locations
The Anderson & Anderson anger management classes provide education for people who are interested in or who need to learn how to deal with their anger or someone else�s anger in a positive, functional way. Participants may include people who internalize anger as well as those who act it out verbally or behaviorally towards friends, family, work or personal relationships. We are accustomed to providing services for high profile/celebrity clients.
The popularity of this model is such that it was selected by Sony Pictures for use in the Movie entitled �Anger Management� starring Jack Nicholson, Adam Sandler and Marisa Tomei. George Anderson, Director of Anderson & Anderson was the Anger Management technical consultant on this movie. George Anderson was featured on the the Cover of the Los Angeles Times Magazine.
Since the attacks of September 11 and other world events, there has been a dramatic increase in referrals to anger management programs worldwide. Many of our referrals are from Colleges and Universities, courts, business and industry as well as self and family referrals.
Anger Management Classes for Court Referrals, Employees, Family or Self-referred Clients
The cost of classes is as follows: assessment $90; client workbook $30; classes $50 per session. We accept Visa, MasterCard or cash. A complimentary copy of the popular Anderson & Anderson DVD, �Gaining Control of Ourselves� will be given to each student at the completion of the course. We do not accept personal checks.
Brentwood Office
12301 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 418
Phone: 310-207-3591
E-mail: [email protected] Classes:
1st, 3rd, and 4th Saturday:
Accelerated (8 hours) 9:00 AM - 5:00 PM
2nd Saturday:
Introductory class 10:00 AM -1:00 PM
Executive Coaching: By appointment
Accelerated Anger Management Class
This 8 hour course is designed to meet the needs of clients who wish to avoid attending classes on a weekly basis. Rather than attending weekly classes, it is now possible to enroll, complete the assessment and attend this course until the required number of classes have been completed.
Cost: Enrollment & Assessment $90 + $50 per hour. VISA or MASTERCARD Accepted.
Click here to register On Line
http://www.andersonservices.com/angermgmtclasses.html
PS I hope you checked into an Internet addiction clinic too. Good luck Jinjackass.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
