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Stephne
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 Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: Blacklisting crooked hogwans and recruiters |
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Okay, it is my understanding that it's pretty easy for an employer to blacklist a foreign teacher. All he has to do is make a phonecall (lying) to Immigration and say the teacher broke his contract?
Is there anything in place for a foreign teacher to blacklist the employer or recruiter? I would like to see these crooked, scamming, hellhole hogwans and recruiters deprived of their right to bring in foreign teachers! MAYBE then they will stop scamming and mistreating foreign teachers.
Any ideas on this? |
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fandeath
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Of course teachers never lie and would never abuse the "blacklisting"
If there is such a blacklisting, I highly doubt it is that easy to blacklist a teacher without evidence. You don't just call someone up at immigration and say "Please blacklist this teacher for me". Anyone who has ever dealt with immigration would know they have little time to care...and if you are asking them to something that requires extra effort, you will also be disappointed. |
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hubba bubba
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah, on three years now. blacklisting has never been an issue. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Blacklisting crooked hogwans and recruiters |
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| Stephne wrote: |
Okay, it is my understanding that it's pretty easy for an employer to blacklist a foreign teacher. All he has to do is make a phonecall (lying) to Immigration and say the teacher broke his contract?
Is there anything in place for a foreign teacher to blacklist the employer or recruiter? I would like to see these crooked, scamming, hellhole hogwans and recruiters deprived of their right to bring in foreign teachers! MAYBE then they will stop scamming and mistreating foreign teachers.
Any ideas on this? |
There are numerous black lists for hakwons.
http://www.hagwonchecklist.com/ is at least open to good and bad reviews and lets you give specifics.
If you register you can also update your listing at a future date.
There are others as well but most of them are input only types and are not kept current.
Google "blacklist" and Korea |
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Stephne
Joined: 16 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| fandeath wrote: |
| Of course teachers never lie and would never abuse the "blacklisting" . |
That was not what I said. I am merely saying that this sword should cut both ways. Of course, the teacher's claim should also be verified/ investigated in the same manner as that of the (ex)employer. And a teacher that lied in his claim should be "suitably deterred" from ever doing so again.
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| If there is such a blacklisting, I highly doubt it is that easy to blacklist a teacher without evidence. You don't just call someone up at immigration and say "Please blacklist this teacher for me". Anyone who has ever dealt with immigration would know they have little time to care...and if you are asking them to something that requires extra effort, you will also be disappointed. |
Oh, there is such a thing as blacklisting. Visit the Seoul Immigration Investigation Department and check for yourself. I was told by one such fine officer that a teacher can be blacklisted in such a way. The hagwon owner contacts Immigration and files a complaint, he has to complete some paperwork and the teacher gets blacklisted. Yes, the Investigation Department will investigate his claim, but in the meantime the teacher remains blacklisted until the investigation is completed.
How long does such an investigation take? No time specifics, as they are "extremely busy".
Does the teacher get a chance to refute the hagwon's claims? Yes, if they can contact him at his last-known address.
What is his last-known address? Usually the school where he no longer works, or their apartment he lived in. Sometimes they are "lucky" enough to have a cellphone number for the teacher, IF he hasn't already left the country.
Having been in the position of dealing with Immigration for quite some time lately, I've had occassion to view their workings quite closely. Not from a chair on the first floor, waiting for my number to be called.
I will have to honestly say that there are quite a number of them who speak good English, try to do a monumental job to the best of their ability and don't always agree with what the law prescribes. I saw some of them really go the extra mile and put in extra effort for a foreigner when they didn't have to. I take my hat off to these guys.
I didn't like the outcome of my dealings with them, but that doesn't change the fact that they work hard. Like everywhere else in the world there are also some of them who are just there to collect their paycheck at the end of the month, but I didn't see very many of those.
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Stephne
Joined: 16 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Blacklisting crooked hogwans and recruiters |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
There are numerous black lists for hakwons.
http://www.hagwonchecklist.com/ is at least open to good and bad reviews and lets you give specifics.
If you register you can also update your listing at a future date.
There are others as well but most of them are input only types and are not kept current.
Google "blacklist" and Korea |
As always, a relevant post that isn't about bashing or flaming. Thanks.
I know these blacklists exist, but how effective are they? I doubt they can affect the hogwan's ability to actually bring in the teachers. Yet, it would probably make it harder for them to FIND the teachers, which is a start. |
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Saxiif
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, it is my understanding that it's pretty easy for an employer to blacklist a foreign teacher. All he has to do is make a phonecall (lying) to Immigration and say the teacher broke his contract?
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That is not the case at all. |
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jay-shi
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, it is my understanding that it's pretty easy for an employer to blacklist a foreign teacher. All he has to do is make a phonecall (lying) to Immigration and say the teacher broke his contract?
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That is not the case at all. |
Saxiif is right about this one. As far as immigration is concerned you are only "blacklisted" until the end of your period of sojourn, until your visa ends, unless you go to immigration together and terminate your visa or get a letter of release (though I am not familiar with this procedure). An employer can only 'blacklist you with immigration if they decide to make claims that you broke the law, be it civil or criminal. |
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Saxiif
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| And its not even that strict. Basically if you just disappear you're as "blacklisted" as far as getting a new contract goes as if your boss talked to immigration. Also most hagwons don't even bother to go to immigration if you stop working there. You usually just stick around and come and go from Korea freely as long as you have an ARC even if you don't have a job (been there, done that). |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
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| I know these blacklists exist, but how effective are they? I doubt they can affect the hogwan's ability to actually bring in the teachers. Yet, it would probably make it harder for them to FIND the teachers, which is a start. |
Hogwans change owners and even names all of the time. Plus, many who are cheated and do runners never bother to post to warn others. So, the blacklists are incomplete and should be taken with a grain of salt. |
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