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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| When I was in France, I was a not disappointed when looking for stereotypes. I saw two men in tight black and white striped shirts, one man who laughed with that nasal "haw-haw", lots of pencil-thin wire mustachios, old women with baguettes in the bicycle baskets, but no men in berets! |
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whatever
Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Why do so many Americans hate the French? |
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
| In another thread, there was some France bashing going on by some yanks... |
*sigh* Man, do we really always have to go by that moniker...Yanks? Personally I can't stand the Yankees. Or Steinbrenner. Or their crap stadium (I said it). Could we just be known as the 'total bastards' instead? |
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Zoobot
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| It's probably because France gave the US the statue of Liberty. Ugly torch-carryin' b###ch. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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If you look at the date. It was the French who copied from the Aermicans. The Frech revolution took place after the American one did. At the time of the American Revolution the Frech where trying to screw the Brtis.
Thomas Pain went from America to France and was much invloved ion French political theory at that time. |
So the American revolutionaries were originally from China and not Europe? You are using dates to forget something very important. The United States took its ideas for forming a government from the liberals of both England and France, so it does owe its ideas to certain French and English people like Locke and Montesquieu, and the American Revolution might not have succeeded without French aid. There were French ships surrounding Lord Cornwallis. Anyway, how many American text books really emphasize the contributions of the Canadian troops in World War I? |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Why Americans don't emphasize the Canadian impact on World War I is simple. The Canadians served under the British flag and were a part of that military. They were a part of the British dominion and as such had requirements to serve. Frankly, it's the British and the French who should be happy.
In my case, my dislike stems from 2 people, Degaulle and Chirac. Both emphasized French superiority at the expense of smaller countries and tried to overempasize the "specialness" of France.
But like those who are upset/angry with Bush, I try to grow up and ignore their leaders. But in both countries, the leaders are a reflection of the country.
The freedom fries bit was really stupid and embarrassing. |
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SHANE02
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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Ahhh...the French
You don't have to be American to hate them. |
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jaderedux
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: Why do so many Americans hate the French? |
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| whatever wrote: |
| Binch Lover wrote: |
| In another thread, there was some France bashing going on by some yanks... |
*sigh* Man, do we really always have to go by that moniker...Yanks? Personally I can't stand the Yankees. Or Steinbrenner. Or their crap stadium (I said it). Could we just be known as the 'total bastards' instead? |
Okay that was just too funny. As a person born in the South and raised by a southerner, my mother is deeply offended by the term Yank/Yankee. She is a reb and still is a bit miffed over that whole "War of Northern Aggression". I vote for "total bastards" except I am of the non-hanging genitalia group can I still be one of the "total bastards" please.
I just want a moniker that fits and doesn't offend my mom. 
Jade |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Location: 서울
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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mercurix, haha thanks.. i didn't know whether to go with 'gall' or 'gaul'.. glad someone liked it though  |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Ahhh...the French
You don't have to be American to hate them. |
But you could say you don't have to be French to dislike Americans, right? I mean I have a feeling the French are more popular in the world than the American people. Of course, it doesn't matter. Individually all people are all right. It's when they become collective groups. The French and Americans are allies. The French helped America become a country in the first place and contributed liberal ideas that were enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, and America helped Europe, in general, during World War II.
The Czechs were liberated by the U.S., but they didn't send troops to Iraq as far as I know. Lots of European countries were liberated. I don't think just because the U.S. helped in say World War II that people should simply follow whatever American president, such as Bush, says. The French have contributed troops to various missions like Desert Storm and Afghanistan. France is not America's enemy anymore than Canada. Though there is bashing they cooperate more often than they don't.
Seriously how many of the liberated European countries said thank you over and over to the U.S. for helping in World War II? How many Americans even know France helped America become a country?
Now Koreans don't seem grateful for the continued U.S. presence which has kept their country from being invaded all these years. It would be nice for them to show more appreciation.
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darkhorse_NZ
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Location: South Korea
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I love France and the French, everyone of them I've met has been good times. I like all the Americans I've met so far too. This France/America thing is pretty crazy and dumb. If you delve even slightly into history you'll find all this crap that Neocon Americans rant on about the French is a load of bollocks!
i'd just love to know where does all the animosity stem from?
De Gaulle/Chirac? |
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cosmo
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| When I was in France, I was a not disappointed. I saw old women with baguettes in the bicycle baskets, |
Either this is suggestive of something other than the literal meaning, or I have an active imagination. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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Thomas Paine was one of the main pamphleteers (writers) of the American experience. His main ideas were that kings were wrong, even quoting the Bible (Judges) that God didn't want men to have kings. Not as much Locke in his stuff as Burke.
After the Brits were beaten Pain got his nose out of joint when he was not given an allowance and preferred positions. he went to France and was one of the leading lights in their revolution.
The American "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness " is more appealing than the French "Liberte, Egalite' and Fraternite" phrase.
What have the French done in the past 200 years? |
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darkhorse_NZ
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Location: South Korea
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Quote contrarian
"What have the French done in the past 200 years?"
-conquered most of Europe giving nationalism a boost on the Continent.
-fought and won history's most appalling battle.
-built the world's fastest train.
-made some pretty good wine and cheese.
-there must be other stuff? |
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everydavid
Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Location: dans la lune
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 2:35 am Post subject: Re: Why do so many Americans hate the French? |
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In another thread, there was some France bashing going on by some yanks. I just don't get why they dislike the French so much. Granted, they can be a bit hard to bear sometime,s but they've accomplished a hell of a lot as a country. There was all that stuff around the start of the Iraq war, and the French had some vested interests in Saddam staying in power, but really only fools would follow the USA into such a stupid war (most Europeans I know could see it at the time). So why do the Americans dislike them... jealousy? Idiocy?
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| How about talking about something a little more recent. Like how a major world power ( france) let its country be overrrun and not even put up a fight in WWII |
I'd like to see you say that to my grandparents. They sure as hell put up a fight. My grandfather fought, was captured by the Germans and escaped from POW camps on at least 3 occasions. My grandmother was nearly killed for spying on the German soldiers. Actually, my 85 year old grandmother could probably still kick your a$$. Fvckin Americans, never had a foreign power on your own soil (Pearl Harbour and 9/11 don't count) and think you can preach to everyone else. |
The French hate the French, why would they like the Americans??? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Thomas Paine was one of the main pamphleteers (writers) of the American experience. His main ideas were that kings were wrong, even quoting the Bible (Judges) that God didn't want men to have kings. Not as much Locke in his stuff as Burke.
After the Brits were beaten Pain got his nose out of joint when he was not given an allowance and preferred positions. he went to France and was one of the leading lights in their revolution.
The American "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness " is more appealing than the French "Liberte, Egalite' and Fraternite" phrase.
What have the French done in the past 200 years? |
The French had liberals before the United States and so did England.
The American revolutionaries took their ideas to a large extent from
the liberals of Europe. The Americans were able to revolt against monarchy earlier. One reason France had a revolution was because the French king spent a ton of money giving weapons to the Americans to fight the British. France couldn't afford it, so that is one reason he lost his head.
I personally like Liberte, Fraternite, Egalite. How is Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness better? A government cannot have anything to do with your own personal happiness. It can be used to promote a feeling of brotherhood, liberty, and equality. Anyway, the words you are talking about in English trace to Locke and Adam Smith. So basically, they trace to British liberals born in England not Americans. You talk about the French not giving enough credit how about giving people from England and France credit for what's in the U.S. Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I am certain the French Revolution was also influenced by the U.S. one.
What have the French done in 200 years? Well, it is 2007. Since 1807 France has invented so many things including the Diesel engine, Daguerrotype photography, braille, stethoscope that your doctors use,
Blaise Pascal invented the calculator, the first sea plane came from France, and the first to make use of the parachute.... France has had many very capable people in science and architecture. The French have done a lot my friend. Don't forget the KTX that Korea has comes from French technology. France is one of the world's nuclear powers and helped Israel build its programme along with England. |
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