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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| Gets old, that black gold talk. |
Yeah man! Get with the times! Questioning the government's motives and actions is LAME-O! Total Squaresville, cat. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| Gets old, that black gold talk. |
Yeah man! Get with the times! Questioning the government's motives and actions is LAME-O! Total Squaresville, cat. |
So you endorse the "America-will-soon-invade-Venezuela-to-seize-its-oil" thesis, too, then? |
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postfundie
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| The U.S. currently takes about 60 percent of Venezuela's daily exports of about 2 million barrels a day. |
So what's the contradiction? Despite Chavez taking power, we still buy much of their oil. What's your point? If anything you could argue we are being pragmatic by buying oil. If we were bent on replacing him, or instigating a coup against him, we'd stop buying his country's oil. I'm sure you're not claiming that we're propping up his regime.
Clarification is in order:
Not all Venezuelans support Chavez; a sizable and vocal minority, including most in the middle class, clearly does not.
We'll see how long it takes before Chavez's move to self-aggrandizement supplants his supposed concern for the downtrodden. I give him two years max to reach that turning point. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| Leave Chavez in power long enough and in a decade or so we'll see a S. American Zimbabwe...but w/oil. |
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| Anyway the defense rests... |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| I give him two years max to reach that turning point. |
I don't give him that long. He's moved pretty fast and considering he tried a coup before he got elected, I take his concern for popular citizen views with a tanker load of salt.
Sorry, he has all the earmarks of train disaster on twisted rails. Sorry, but I don't support totalitarinism in any form or by any country and you can buy public support.
I remember a Aussie communist telling me how they were paid to protest outside the US embassy (only they never got paid), so if aussies will do it, then anyone will do it. So Chavez, don't be an idiot, Castro is not such a great role model. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| He will be in as long as oil prices are high. If the "house of saud" can survive the tinderbox that is saudi "society" then I think chavez will be Aok. Money can buy lots of tanks/guns/academics. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
kuros wrote:
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| The U.S. currently takes about 60 percent of Venezuela's daily exports of about 2 million barrels a day. |
So what's the contradiction? Despite Chavez taking power, we still buy much of their oil. What's your point? If anything you could argue we are being pragmatic by buying oil. If we were bent on replacing him, or instigating a coup against him, we'd stop buying his country's oil. I'm sure you're not claiming that we're propping up his regime. |
Maybe you're posting tired. I posted that in response to Harpeau's suggestion that the US would invade Venezuela to get a hold of its oil. Well, it seems we already have access to its oil, so how would getting something we already have be an incentive to invade? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
kuros wrote:
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| The U.S. currently takes about 60 percent of Venezuela's daily exports of about 2 million barrels a day. |
So what's the contradiction? Despite Chavez taking power, we still buy much of their oil. What's your point? If anything you could argue we are being pragmatic by buying oil. If we were bent on replacing him, or instigating a coup against him, we'd stop buying his country's oil. I'm sure you're not claiming that we're propping up his regime. |
Maybe you're posting tired. I posted that in response to Harpeau's suggestion that the US would invade Venezuela to get a hold of its oil. Well, it seems we already have access to its oil, so how would getting something we already have be an incentive to invade? |
No, he's posting stupid, not tired. Its usual for him and his 7 Koh San Road Ph.D.s |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Chavez is what I consider to be a Caudillo. He is a strong man who is essentially a communist rather than a simple socialist. The sad thing is many Venezuelans seem upset that the station is being closed only because they will miss their favourite shows. That is sad. I am not saying that the station wasn't bad and propagandistic. |
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cwemory
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Gunpo, Korea
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Ch�vez attacks another TV channel
Venezuelan president continues media purge.
guardian.co.uk
Hugo Ch�vez condemned Venezuela's last remaining opposition-aligned TV station yesterday, two days after pulling the plug on another critical broadcaster. The president called cable news channel Globovisi�n an enemy of the state, and accused it of fomenting violence and attempts to assassinate him.
"Enemies of the homeland, particularly those behind the scenes, I will give you a name: Globovisi�n. Greetings gentlemen of Globovisi�n. You should watch where you are going," he said, in a speech all stations were obliged to air. He accused it of distorting reaction to the closure of RCTV, a network which closed on Sunday after the government refused to renew its license. "I recommend they take a tranquiliser, that they slow down, because if not, I'm going to slow them down."
Tens of thousands of mostly youthful protesters have marched through the capital, Caracas, and other cities for four days chanting slogans accusing the government of drifting towards Cuba-style authoritarianism. Clashes with police have left dozens injured. |
rest here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,,2091017,00.html |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| .. and still, Big Bird nowhere to be found in this thread ... |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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A BIG obvious "thumbs down" for Caesar  |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| .. and still, Big Bird nowhere to be found in this thread ... |
I am sure she is busy dealing with family matters. I think B.B. was concerned about the poor of Venezuela and likes someone who does something for them. It is undeniable Chavez has implemented some programmes for the poor, but his undemocratic moves does not bode well for the future nor does his nationalization of almost every industry.
The government is getting way too big. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
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| .. and still, Big Bird nowhere to be found in this thread ... |
I am sure she is busy dealing with family matters. I think B.B. was concerned about the poor of Venezuela and likes someone who does something for them. It is undeniable Chavez has implemented some programmes for the poor, but his undemocratic moves does not bode well for the future nor does his nationalization of almost every industry.
The government is getting way too big. |
Well family matters didnt stop her from posting several times today in the CE forum. She's running from any topic on Chavez these days. |
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