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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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Hmmmmm ... say, what's the author's name? Abramsky?
Any bets they're in on the global Zionist conspiracy? Hitler certainly was  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Hmmmmm ... say, what's the author's name? Abramsky?
Any bets they're in on the global Zionist conspiracy? Hitler certainly was |
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Gopher
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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The piece was a piece. It completely, just as you did, gopher, misrepresents what the author was saying. Completely. We've already been over this.
She did not claim Bush = Hitler. She did not claim Bush Cadre = Nazi's. What she DID say, is that LIKE the Nazi's/Hitler, certain step were being taken to MOVE TOWARD fascism.
She is factually correct, rhetoric aside. Rhetorically correct, also, however.
You, as ever, are misleading/misrepresenting/misinterpreting.... etc.
To add to the arsenal of arguments, very few seem to have noticed Bush has appointed himself King in the event of ANY KIND of major emergency in the US. This includes the right to determine what role the Legislative and Judicial Branches would play at that time.
Still think we're getting no closer to fascism? OK, call it totalitarianism. Give it is being driven by a GROUP, not ONE MAN, I think I'll stick with fascism. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Fascist = Chavez
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
She did not claim Bush = Hitler. She did not claim Bush Cadre = Nazi's. What she DID say, is that LIKE the Nazi's/Hitler, certain step were being taken to MOVE TOWARD fascism.
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Durbin did not say that Bush=Hitler, either. He did however make a comparision, which is what the author is doing as well. The point of the article is that such comparing is inaccurate and overstated. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| To add to the arsenal of arguments, very few seem to have noticed Bush has appointed himself King in the event of ANY KIND of major emergency in the US. This includes the right to determine what role the Legislative and Judicial Branches would play at that time. |
Weren't you one of those bitching and moaning about the eeeevil Bushie not doing enough around Katrina time? Sure you were. Now, he makes sure the federal govt. doesn't get caught with its pants down again (no pun intended toward the Clinton administration) and you bitch and moan again throwing around words like facism and totalitarianism.
Gee, that's a real surprise. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| ...such comparing is inaccurate and overstated. |
Preciesly.
Like hyperbole |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Hmmmmm ... say, what's the author's name? Abramsky?
Any bets they're in on the global Zionist conspiracy? Hitler certainly was |
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There ya go 
Gotta love the COVERT convert Khazars ("white" huns?)
Anything less would be anti "semitic" 
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, the neo-con posse, as usual.
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| Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, |
This is the bit in the new directive that has people concerned. Pray tell, why does the Congress need the president to coordinate them? Why does the SC? Neither do. It puts the president AHEAD of the other two branches. It relies on what the president BELIEVES to be constitutional, which we know to be pretty much nothing. He believes he can do as he wishes. Thus, it's a massive power grab.
Night, boys. Thanks for all the straw men and red herrings. Tasty. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheques & balances ... keeping it in the red ... |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
Ah, the neo-con posse, as usual.
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| Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, |
This is the bit in the new directive that has people concerned. Pray tell, why does the Congress need the president to coordinate them? Why does the SC? Neither do. It puts the president AHEAD of the other two branches. It relies on what the president BELIEVES to be constitutional, which we know to be pretty much nothing. He believes he can do as he wishes. Thus, it's a massive power grab.
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Oh come on! If he wanted to grab power, why not do it in his first term? Why do it when he's only got about a year and a half to go?
That makes no sense at all.
Plus as well there's a good chance a Demo could become the next president.
So why would he attempt to consolidate all that power for the opposition party (and not just for a year and a half) but potentially 8 or more years?
Completely illogical. He'll be gone in less than two years. So kick back, relax and start thinking about the next political figure you can fixate on and blame for the world's ills once Bush is gone from office.
I suggest Madame C.  |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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Fuel for the fire:
Versch�rfte Vernehmung
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The phrase "Versch�rfte Vernehmung" is German for "enhanced interrogation". Other translations include "intensified interrogation" or "sharpened interrogation". It's a phrase that appears to have been concocted in 1937, to describe a form of torture that would leave no marks, and hence save the embarrassment pre-war Nazi officials were experiencing as their wounded torture victims ended up in court. The methods, as you can see above, are indistinguishable from those described as "enhanced interrogation techniques" by the president. As you can see from the Gestapo memo, moreover, the Nazis were adamant that their "enhanced interrogation techniques" would be carefully restricted and controlled, monitored by an elite professional staff, of the kind recommended by Charles Krauthammer, and strictly reserved for certain categories of prisoner. At least, that was the original plan.
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| ...In deciding the degree of punishment, the Court found it decisive that the defendants had inflicted serious physical and mental suffering on their victims, and did not find sufficient reason for a mitigation of the punishment in accordance with the provisions laid down in Art. 5 of the Provisional Decree of 4th May, 1945. The Court came to the conclusion that such acts, even though they were committed with the connivance of superiors in rank or even on their orders, must be regarded and punished as serious war crimes. |
The victims, by the way, were not in uniform. And the Nazis tried to argue, just as John Yoo did, that this made torturing them legit. The victims were paramilitary Norwegians, operating as an insurgency, against an occupying force. And the torturers had also interrogated some prisoners humanely. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Are you that politically blind?
Jesus... fine... I'll enlighten you, neo-con.
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| Oh come on! If he wanted to grab power, why not do it in his first term? |
What need is there then? You've got a manufactured war (power/oil grab) giving you virtually everything you want with no fuss, no muss. Why give the opposition reason to suspect anything?
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Why do it when he's only got about a year and a half to go?
That makes no sense at all. |
EXACTLY! He's almost out, so why bother? WHY NOW? Unless you want to create yet another false flag event and take full control... and never give it up?
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Plus as well there's a good chance a Demo could become the next president.
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Are you really presenting that as a DISincentive for the Bush Cadre?
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| So why would he attempt to consolidate all that power for the opposition party (and not just for a year and a half) but potentially 8 or more years? |
What makes you think he's doing it for THEM? Talk about illogical. Look, they want to be in Iraq for decades. They will, unless they can steal this one, too, be out of office - and out of Iraq - in two years. You really think they want to let that happen? No... mark my words, this is just one of the final set-ups for the last power grab. The chance of a further false flag and declaration of emergency is now about 90 percent. To extend a bit: look at all the power concentrated in the presidency. Can you imagine the cadre actually just turning that over to a Democrat?
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| Completely illogical. He'll be gone in less than two years. So kick back, relax and start thinking about the next political figure you can fixate on and blame for the world's ills once Bush is gone from office. |
Thanks for the straw man dollies, but I've got enough of those from gopher already. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Are you that politically blind? |
Wow, you are just full of condescending expertise, aren't you?
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| No... mark my words, this is just one of the final set-ups for the last power grab. The chance of a further false flag and declaration of emergency is now about 90 percent. To extend a bit: look at all the power concentrated in the presidency. Can you imagine the cadre actually just turning that over to a Democrat? |
Believe me, I AM marking your words and I'll be watching you run away (again) when you are proven (again) to be absolutely wrong. Your hatred of Bush has turned into a sickness...and you are terminal. |
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