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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:57 pm    Post subject: Public schools elminating vacation time? Reply with quote

I'm not a public school teacher but a friend working in public school heard something about this. Public schools are looking at ending the 2 month paid vacation time for their foreign teachers, citing the expense of paying for their apartment and airfare. She has no idea what that means, whether it means making them work some kind of hagwon program to earn their keep or simply not paying them. I've understood the longer vacation is the one thing that makes up for the longer work day and bigger class sizes.

What up?
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kimchi story



Joined: 23 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only answer for GEPIK teachers - they don't get two months of paid vacation. During the vacations they run camps (2 weeks each vacation, 20 hours a week max) which leaves two weeks of benchwarming, total. This time gets used up pretty quick planning and modifying existing programs. I guess public schools that have hired foreign teachers privately might be steering toward that model.
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Colorado



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Public School with too much time on my hands.

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you smoking?

While I suppose it's theoretically possible, I don't know a single foreign teacher at a public school anywhere in Korea who currently gets two months paid vacation. A standard contract is 14 working days of vacation per year.

It would be interesting to watch them try to take that away.
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Public schools elminating vacation time? Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I'm not a public school teacher but a friend working in public school heard something about this. Public schools are looking at ending the 2 month paid vacation time for their foreign teachers, citing the expense of paying for their apartment and airfare. She has no idea what that means, whether it means making them work some kind of hagwon program to earn their keep or simply not paying them. I've understood the longer vacation is the one thing that makes up for the longer work day and bigger class sizes.

What up?


What? I'm in GEPIK and I can tell you we don't get two months paid vacation time. Two weeks is standard. Now some schools are nice and give you more time off (4-5 weeks) but two months is something that I've NEVER heard of any GEPIK teacher getting since I entered the program back in 2005.

All I can surmise is that your friend is (a) badly misinformed (b) talking about schools that hired a FT privately (as opposed to going through a program such as EPIK or GEPIK) (c) pulling your leg.
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My contract says 14 paid vacation days.
It also states that I attend school during the summer and winter breaks and that there is a possibility of "camp". Vacation is supposed to be requested in advance and is subject to approval.

I've been asked to schedule my vacation time during the breaks.

cbc
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lulu144



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Location: Gwangju!

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What are you smoking?

While I suppose it's theoretically possible, I don't know a single foreign teacher at a public school anywhere in Korea who currently gets two months paid vacation. A standard contract is 14 working days of vacation per year.

It would be interesting to watch them try to take that away.



I was in public school.... my contract said 4 weeks.... but I got WELL above that said amount.....perhaps almost 3 months
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Colorado



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was in public school.... my contract said 4 weeks.... but I got WELL above that said amount.....perhaps almost 3 months


Good for you.
However you are an exceedingly rare exception.

Having said that, I suppose it's only a matter of time before we hear from the other two or three public school teachers in Korea who get or used to get at least 2 months paid vacation.
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work in a public middle schhool, in a suburb of Seoul.

I get:

4 weeks in the winter (Went to India and Thailand)
4 weeks in the summer (Going to the Philippines)

plus I don't have to be here for exams so I get an addition 2 weekds off (In one week blocks) each semester.

Plus I don't have to be here most days when the students don't have class

Plus I get 15 paid sick days a year ( which I can use at anytime)

So in the end when you factor in national holidays I get almost 4 months of paid vacation a year and I'm allowed to take unpaid days without much of a problem.

And I do work summer and winter camps (one week only).

So thise jobs exist you just have to fight and be lucky and be a good teacher.
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Colorado



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that, Octavius. Makes me feel warm all over. Sad
So how do you feel about the OP's claim that you may soon be losing all that?
Good while it lasted, eh?
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Octavius Hite



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine won't be changing, we have an understanding. But if it did, I would finish my contract, and come back and do privates and set my own vacation schedule.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not GEPIK or EPIK. I got 3 weeks in the summer and 3 weeks in the winter but then sat around the house for another 3 weeks after coming back from my winter break.

Don't care if other teachers lose their vacation time because I'm leaving. It sucks but Korea is gifted at screwing up perfectly good plans Rolling Eyes
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard rumours of this, but from Korean teachers and apparantly the education officals are thinking of not paying all teachers for two months during the winter vacation. But, if they are actually thinking of this, I think the Korean teacher's union would definatly fight back. However, if it's only foreign teachers, then we're out of luck and I would quit.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Public schools elminating vacation time? Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I'm not a public school teacher but a friend working in public school heard something about this. Public schools are looking at ending the 2 month paid vacation time for their foreign teachers, citing the expense of paying for their apartment and airfare. She has no idea what that means, whether it means making them work some kind of hagwon program to earn their keep or simply not paying them. I've understood the longer vacation is the one thing that makes up for the longer work day and bigger class sizes.

What up?


Private hires in public schools may lose some vacation time because of changes to the funding. If they want provincial money for the FT instead of coming out of the local budget they will have to get close to the standard contract.

Having said that, it appears as though vacation time for most who are on governement contracts may be increasing. The new SMOE/ETIS contracts are now offering 21 WORKING days (4 weeks) of paid vacation as compared to the older SMOE and current provincial contracts that offer 14 working days (3 weeks) and teh older ones that only offered 2 calendar weeks..

I think it is more a case of standarization within the system. Some may lose but most will gain "official" time off and paid vacations. There will always be the unofficial time off that comes as a perk as well.


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oskinny1



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Four weeks off in both summer and winter for me. I am pressing for my school to continue this practice next year even though I won't be here.
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will the OP return with any relevant facts?

cbc
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