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posco's trumpet
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Location: Beneath the Underdog
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Interested
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[quote="posco's trumpet
How often will the target language taught in a classroom be a non-standard variety? |
I never suggested otherwise. I only pointed out that what people often regard as "correct English" is considered by linguists just one variety of many varieties.
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| "Grammatically precise" was a poorly chosen expression, but I see no real problem with "neutrally accented" -- how many English-language newsreaders have you heard whose accent was not considered neutral (or mid- to high-prestige, if you prefer) for the nation of the broadcast? |
<Unable to refrain from her nit picking inclinations...> Actually, on UK TV (including BBC news coverage) it's getting more and more common to hear journalists speaking grammatically standard English with their own (slightly watered down) regional accent.
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By the way, if you want to pick nits --- the last time I checked (and I re-checked before this post), Jamaican is currently considered a creole. Don't be alarmed, though. The most recent scholarship suggests that even the majority of Jamaicans, who "use this variety in everyday communication with each other... consider it to be a debased form of English" (LINGUIST, 2003). |
Yes I'd like to pick more nits... This is nothing new. The majority of ALL speakers of non-standard varieties of English (C ockneys, Liverpudlians, Mancurians, Geordies etc) consider their varieties to be a debased form of English. It's really only those nit picking linguists who argue otherwise.
'Recent scholarship' also has a bit of a problem defining Jamaican as a creole because they have a problem defining what is Jamaican English. There is a language spectrum which ranges from standard British English to the creole and various Jamaicans speak using various ranges of this spectrum in various locations at various times!
So nit pick away my fellow nit picker and I'll nit pick right back at ya! 
By the way Mr Trumpet, for the record I enjoy your posts on other threads (especially political ones) - I just thought that your remark about second language learners speaking English better than most 'natives' was much too naughty to go unchallanged.  |
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posco's trumpet
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: Beneath the Underdog
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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simon77047
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| Just thought I would post for the heck of it. I need to get above the 50 post mark so I get off probation on this board. Many times when I tell the taxi drivers to take me home I say "bong won sa." I say it the same each and every time and yet one out of ten drivers won't be able to understand. Last year when I lived in Jisan Dong, Daegu, and I would go shopping at Costco, getting a cab home was a crap shoot. Most times the drivers would understand "Jisan Dong," but there were always those who couldn't. Well, I'm sure you all want to read about this BS. lol have a good day. |
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Interested
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| posco's trumpet wrote: |
Thanks.... and extra kudos for noticing that 'Posco's' modifies 'Trumpet' and not the other way round, so that I should, by rights, be referred to as 'Trumpet,' rather than 'Posco,' as is generally the case on this board. |
Thank you for noticing I noticed! 
I still remember as a (pernickity) little kid, I used to get really pissed off with people who talked about Frankenstein, when what they were really refering to was Frankenstein's monster. Frankenstein was the creator, not the creation.
Get it right folks!!! |
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Interested
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| By the way...who is Posco? Does he like to play the trumpet? |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I've noticed what Simon says about it being a crap shoot as well...My address is a little hard to say but I've got it down pretty well but 2 times out of 10 I still have trouble with the taxi drivers(must be their hartsh Gyeongnam dialect vs. my soft Seoul dialect) and my flatmate even ended up in the neighbouring city because the dong sounds very similar. She was drunk and fell asleep in the taxi. |
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