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charlieDD
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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: Cho's family still not helping panel get records |
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It was reported two weeks ago that the panel formed to look into the Virginia Tech massacre "opened a dialogue" with Cho Seung Hui's family regarding gaining access to Cho's mental health and counseling records.
The panel would like to find out all they can about what motivated Cho, how he slipped through the cracks, who might not have fulfilled their responsibility to have him treated or dealt with properly, etc. - - so that we can learn from the mistakes made and possibly prevent the loss of life from such a rampage again at another school someday.
Virginia Tech, bound by privacy laws, cannot turn them over, even if they would like to. Cho's family, as executors of his estate, can get the records and do what they wish with them . . . like provide them to the investigating panel.
Apparently they have balked at providing this assistance. Now we see that the panel is asking to be granted subpoena powers so that they may force Virginia Tech and others to turn the records over for court records.
(See link to the May 30th article on this below.)
When the Cho family finally did speak - - after hiding out for several long days, in which time they hired a nationally famous out-of-state (North Carolina) lawyer (same one who defended the Duke Lacrosse players) - - - in their carefully prepared, legalistic statement, they promised to �do whatever we can to help authorities understand why these senseless acts happened (Quote from transcript of the statement from this site: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18201501/).
Apparently a statement for public consumption, not a true intent . . just like their legalesed "apology".
One must wonder what the records may reveal that the family is so worried about; worried enough that they would rather see many more young people lose their lives than suffer than provide the panel with the information they need to save them.
It seems once again the family is displaying the selfish, self-centered behavior of avoiding embarrasment and shame at the potential expense of the lives and well-being of the community at large.
The Cho family behave like people who are not truly sorry, only sorry this is happening to THEM. This is all about them.
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Link to subpoena powers request article:
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1152712
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khyber
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not really surprised. They aren't going to want to look like bad parents. |
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Probably too ashamed to do so. However, that is not a valid excuse and is extremely selfish behaviour. I hope they cooperate. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
| I'm not really surprised. They aren't going to want to look like bad parents. |
Who among us would behave differently? Not a matter of the private life of a guy who is dead and showed the world he cared eff-all about the world around him. At this point, it's the private life of his family they want to investigate. Honestly, I don't think I'd do anything else but tell everyone I'll do everything I can, then do as little as possible.
Damage control. Any reason at all to help the world heap the sins of the brother and son onto the sisters, unlces, aunts and parents?
None that I can see. |
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Of course I am sure you know that his sister went to an Elite American school (Harvard I believe) where the tutition was around 50,000/year. Virginia Tech isn't cheap either. Based on their level of income as drycleaners I'd find that a bit suprising. Perhaps they don't want people prying into their affairs for that reason. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Hard to know how anyone would react in the same situation. Family "loyalty" is huge among Koreans and asians in general, as is avoiding shame.
But get that subpoena slapped on. If the private details of presidents, politicians and royaly in the west makes national headlines when its not even in the public interest, why should a private family of korean immigrants be spared? |
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khyber
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Who among us would behave differently? Not a matter of the private life of a guy who is dead and showed the world he cared eff-all about the world around him. At this point, it's the private life of his family they want to investigate. Honestly, I don't think I'd do anything else but tell everyone I'll do everything I can, then do as little as possible. |
Really? So your son killed what 30 people, injured twice as many; perpetrated the LARGEST school shooting in history (and one of the biggest sprees as well) and yet you'd still be unwilling to accept the fact that perhaps his homelife (and by extension YOU) could be somewhat responsible?
It's going to come out; Why wait for a subpoena? Do they think hte investigators will just say "Oh well. I guess we can't get it anymore. Let's just give up". It seems like such short sighted lack of logic. |
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Nicco61
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Who among us would behave differently? Not a matter of the private life of a guy who is dead and showed the world he cared eff-all about the world around him. At this point, it's the private life of his family they want to investigate. Honestly, I don't think I'd do anything else but tell everyone I'll do everything I can, then do as little as possible. |
Really? So your son killed what 30 people, injured twice as many; perpetrated the LARGEST school shooting in history (and one of the biggest sprees as well) and yet you'd still be unwilling to accept the fact that perhaps his homelife (and by extension YOU) could be somewhat responsible?
It's going to come out; Why wait for a subpoena? Do they think hte investigators will just say "Oh well. I guess we can't get it anymore. Let's just give up". It seems like such short sighted lack of logic. |
Yes and on that line of logic if you are ever arrested just waive your Miranda rights because
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and hey what the hell lets not worry about due process because you're guilty anyway.
I wouldn't tell them a damn thing.
But maybe we can declare them terrorists and just tap their phone.  |
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Vicissitude
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently a statement for public consumption, not a true intent . . just like their legalesed "apology".
One must wonder what the records may reveal that the family is so worried about; worried enough that they would rather see many more young people lose their lives than suffer than provide the panel with the information they need to save them.
It seems once again the family is displaying the selfish, self-centered behavior of avoiding embarrasment and shame at the potential expense of the lives and well-being of the community at large.
The Cho family behave like people who are not truly sorry, only sorry this is happening to THEM. This is all about them. |
My sentiment exactly! I could not agree more! |
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The_Conservative
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Cho's family still not helping panel get records |
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| charlieDD wrote: |
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One must wonder what the records may reveal that the family is so worried about; worried enough that they would rather see many more young people lose their lives than suffer than provide the panel with the information they need to save them.
It seems once again the family is displaying the selfish, self-centered behavior of avoiding embarrasment and shame at the potential expense of the lives and well-being of the community at large.
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Who says that "many more young people [are going to] lose their lives"?
Who says that every killer is going to act like Cho? Unless that is the case the family is not putting the community at risk.
Do you even attempt to think rationally BEFORE posting? |
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Vicissitude
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Cho's family still not helping panel get records |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
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One must wonder what the records may reveal that the family is so worried about; worried enough that they would rather see many more young people lose their lives than suffer than provide the panel with the information they need to save them.
It seems once again the family is displaying the selfish, self-centered behavior of avoiding embarrasment and shame at the potential expense of the lives and well-being of the community at large.
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Who says that "many more young people [are going to] lose their lives"?
Who says that every killer is going to act like Cho? Unless that is the case the family is not putting the community at risk.
Do you even attempt to think rationally BEFORE posting? |
You forgot to SEE the part that reads, "would rather see many more young people lose their lives than"
I don't think you quite understood! |
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The_Conservative
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Cho's family still not helping panel get records |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
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| charlieDD wrote: |
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One must wonder what the records may reveal that the family is so worried about; worried enough that they would rather see many more young people lose their lives than suffer than provide the panel with the information they need to save them.
It seems once again the family is displaying the selfish, self-centered behavior of avoiding embarrasment and shame at the potential expense of the lives and well-being of the community at large.
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Who says that "many more young people [are going to] lose their lives"?
Who says that every killer is going to act like Cho? Unless that is the case the family is not putting the community at risk.
Do you even attempt to think rationally BEFORE posting? |
You forgot to SEE the part that reads, "would rather see many more young people lose their lives than"
I don't think you quite understood! |
I saw and understood. The poster is trolling. He is making the claim that Cho's family by releasing the records could save many more young people. That is utter nonsense...unless the poster thinks that every person who is going to crack and go off the deep end and start killing is going to behave very similarly to Cho.
His records are unique to Cho, as other peoples' are to them. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Cho's family still not helping panel get records |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| charlieDD wrote: |
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One must wonder what the records may reveal that the family is so worried about; worried enough that they would rather see many more young people lose their lives than suffer than provide the panel with the information they need to save them.
It seems once again the family is displaying the selfish, self-centered behavior of avoiding embarrasment and shame at the potential expense of the lives and well-being of the community at large.
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Who says that "many more young people [are going to] lose their lives"?
Who says that every killer is going to act like Cho? Unless that is the case the family is not putting the community at risk.
Do you even attempt to think rationally BEFORE posting? |
You forgot to SEE the part that reads, "would rather see many more young people lose their lives than"
I don't think you quite understood! |
I saw and understood. The poster is trolling. He is making the claim that Cho's family by releasing the records could save many more young people. That is utter nonsense...unless the poster thinks that every person who is going to crack and go off the deep end and start killing is going to behave very similarly to Cho.
His records are unique to Cho, as other peoples' are to them. |
I have to somewhat disagree. Don't they want to record for the purpose of perhaps setting new guidelines and policies in place to prevent something like this from happening?
I don't think the idea is that all people who are school shooters are like Mr. Cho but more that this is one more piece of evidence to determine what causes these tragedies to occur and one more sad example to put current policies in perspective...
His records are important. Not having them and creating policies would be as pointless as making policies about serial killers but not including any information on Ted Bundy or the BTK killer...
I would hope the panel isn't trying to focus on things that can't be changed but are looking towards preventing something like this from happening in the future.... |
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Pure selfishness in order to save face. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Who among us would behave differently? Not a matter of the private life of a guy who is dead and showed the world he cared eff-all about the world around him. At this point, it's the private life of his family they want to investigate. Honestly, I don't think I'd do anything else but tell everyone I'll do everything I can, then do as little as possible. |
Really? So your son killed what 30 people, injured twice as many; perpetrated the LARGEST school shooting in history (and one of the biggest sprees as well) and yet you'd still be unwilling to accept the fact that perhaps his homelife (and by extension YOU) could be somewhat responsible? |
Lost track of this thread, sorry for the non-response.
The guy who pulled the trigger is the one who has moral culpability. I don't believe the sins of the father should be delivered upon the sons and daughters. Likewise, I don't think the sins of the sons should be delivered on the sisters, brothers, father, mother aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. Before you fire back, I admit I don't have any REASON for thinking so, it just feels right. Blame goes to the person who did the deed.
Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. I've been wrong before. All I know, if it were my family, I'd be looking after the family. Damage control. Shut up and don't say a word about stuff that deserves to stay inside the circle.
Would the world be better if the larger world knew all the details of the Cho family and could make judgments about how to behave toward each other? Who knows. Maybe yes, maybe no.
The family, though, would they be better off? Absolutely not. I'd do the same for my family. So would you. Be honest, and you'll say the same. |
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