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ruffie
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ruffie
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On a related note, check out this article about Miss Korea. When asked about her future dream, her reply was this:
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Lee, who is also a graduate student of the traditional Korean music at the prestigious Seoul National University, said she is determined about her future dream.
``It is to promote Korean culture around the world. I have to think more about what kind of weapons are necessary for that purpose.'' |
So the push to promote Korean culture is war of sorts, requiring weapons?
I know this may be a lost in translation gaffe, but is it? Do Koreans really view the WAVE as a war of sorts? The attitude is brash, and always seems to have an underlying disrespect for the cultures of others. Do they really think that their culture can permeate the planet, as American culture has done? Is it because Japan imposed their culture on them that they feel warrior like in their push to make others swallow theirs?
The use of the word "weapons" weirds me out.
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Julius
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Ruffie wrote: |
| The attitude is brash, and always seems to have an underlying disrespect for the cutlures of others. |
Arrogance is usually an attractive thing in pop culture. |
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superacidjax
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Ruffie wrote: |
| The attitude is brash, and always seems to have an underlying disrespect for the cutlures of others. |
Arrogance is usually an attractive thing in pop culture. |
Arrogance without substance isn't. |
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matthews_world
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Simply put, Park is basically saying to make it big around the world, Korea needs a crossover artist like Rain who can make it big, just as Selena did in Mexico with Latin pop.
We all know the main reason that these artists don't have the world-wide notoriety or the respect they should is because they continue to sing in Korean. Only Koreans understand Korean. Even the English that they do use is usually mangled. |
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itaewonguy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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JYP is right. I have always liked what he is trying to do.
He is right how can korea be considered a global partner when all they ever sing about is how great korea is and korea number 1!
they take bragging to a whole new level hahahhaa
but the comparison for celena and rain is right. but lets remember one thing! there are far more mexicans and south americans in USA than koreans. so I doubt Korea can make an impact at all..
Korean/americans on the otherhand might have a chance with some success.
end of the day look at hollywood. how many A list stars are Asians?
how many billboard chart stars are ASIAN?
Im not saying that ASIANS are not making an impact of course they are
but their music is worldclass in classical, opera, instrumental etc..
I think for us to see ASIANs at the top of film, television and MTV in the west. we need to see them coming in as NON IMPORTS! they need to represent themselves as AMERICANS!
unless you are YO YO MA or venessa may.
but if you are trying to enter a genre which is already flooded and want to be in the ENGLISH language relm. then you need to start rapping(PUN) in English!
RAIN has my support! and JYP knows what he is talking about.
I think will see a lot of Korean stars in the near future appearing in western movies and duets with western stars in music. |
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superacidjax
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
| Simply put, Park is basically saying to make it big around the world, Korea needs a crossover artist like Rain who can make it big, just as Selena did in Mexico with Latin pop. |
I get your point, well done.. but a slight correction, Selena wasn't from Mexico, most of her shows were not in Mexico. She got big with the crossover crowd, starting in Texas. She didn't do much in Mexico, nor was she Mexican, she was an Texas of Mexican heritage.. She was already familiar with American culture because she was American. She barely could speak Spanish (although she could sing in Spanish.) |
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superacidjax
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Rain's manager speaks out on Korean Wave /Nationalism |
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Very smart. One of the reason's American, British, Canadian culture has been such a successful export is that it isn't wrapped in the American flag. Yes, it's in English, but it's decidely non-nationalistic. The so-called "Korean Wave" is an imperialist guise. American culture doesn't try to export "Apple Pie" while the Korean wave is attempting to export "Kimchi" pies.
The most successful cultural exports are more global in scope and less nationalistic in bent. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ruffie wrote: |
| The use of the word "weapons" weirds me out. |
I get your point, but it also shows me she has a larger grasp of English idioms than most Koreans do.
It's actually no wierder than the gaffes a lot of native speakers make ... ever heard of a guy named Dan Quayle? He was daily entertainment for a while there ... whole books were written aboiut the dumb stuff he said every day. |
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ruffie
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| It's actually no wierder than the gaffes a lot of native speakers make ... |
If she has a greater grasp of idioms, then can we assume it wasn't a gaffe? |
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matthews_world
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| superacidjax wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
| Simply put, Park is basically saying to make it big around the world, Korea needs a crossover artist like Rain who can make it big, just as Selena did in Mexico with Latin pop. |
I get your point, well done.. but a slight correction, Selena wasn't from Mexico, most of her shows were not in Mexico. She got big with the crossover crowd, starting in Texas. She didn't do much in Mexico, nor was she Mexican, she was an Texas of Mexican heritage.. She was already familiar with American culture because she was American. She barely could speak Spanish (although she could sing in Spanish.) |
I stand corrected. Good work.
If Rain could win a Grammy or two, that would certainly help the Korean pop's cause.
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Rain's manager speaks out on Korean Wave /Nationalism |
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| superacidjax wrote: |
Very smart. One of the reason's American, British, Canadian culture has been such a successful export is that it isn't wrapped in the American flag. |
My take on it is that Sex sells. Who are the stars around the world from America, Britain, and Canada? I would imagine all of them has the "sex sells" image.
You get Brad Pitt in an American Flag Speedo and I guarantee he'll still be popular among the ladies around the world. |
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superacidjax
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
If Rain could win a Grammy or two, that would certainly help the Korean pop's cause. |
That Korean actress that just won the Canne's award is a good start.. The awards process, while not completely fair, will certainly be a great means to put Korean culture on the map.
Personally, I find most "K-Pop" really trite and sappy.. hopefully the sophistication and diversity in Korean pop culture will start coming through rather than all of those silly Noraebang-friendly ballads or hyperactive bubble gum songs.
Korea actually has some great rock/punk bands.. that's an export that I'd actually buy (if I could understand the bleeping words!)
It seems like most modern Korean music is rather behind the times in terms of technological and artistic innovation. There aren't too many Koreans making good dance music, for instance. Many of the Korean DJ scene are rather tired, while in Europe (and even the US) the genres of dance music are light years ahead. Of course, that is really helping my DJ career here in Seoul as it make me sound like a pioneer, when in fact, I am mostly just keeping in time with the European/US scene.
It seems the same with pop. Perhaps with more world exposure and an increased willingness to innovate, modern Korean culture might become something people would actually want to buy. |
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superacidjax
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: Re: Rain's manager speaks out on Korean Wave /Nationalism |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
My take on it is that Sex sells. Who are the stars around the world from America, Britain, and Canada? I would imagine all of them has the "sex sells" image.
You get Brad Pitt in an American Flag Speedo and I guarantee he'll still be popular among the ladies around the world. |
Very true. As would Beckham wearing a Union Jack..
Asian men just aren't seen as "sexy" the majority of the world (in my opinion.) Asian women on the other hand.. |
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pkang0202
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If JPop isn't popular in the West, then I don't think KPop has a remote chance of breaking through.
Something I've noticed with Americans (my friends included). If it isn't in English, it isn't any good. Whenever I showed an international movie to friends they say something like: "the subtitles are annoying." or "I want to WATCH a movie, not read it."
When I play something international on the stereo I get the "Can we listen to something in English?" or "I don't know what the hell they are saying."
Even when the movie "Crouching Tiger hidden Dragon" was the craze in the US, everyone I know that say it complained about the subtitles. Its never about the translation. Its the fact that its there and they have to READ it.
Someone needs to tell Rain's manager that he's fighting a lost cause. |
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