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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: How to End 'Islamophobia' |
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We Muslims should publicly show our strong disapproval for the [b]growing number of attacks by Muslims against other faiths and against other Muslims. Let us not even dwell on 9/11, Madrid, London, Bali and countless other scenes of carnage. It has been estimated that of the two million refugees fleeing Islamic terror in Iraq, 40% are Christian, and many of them seek a haven in Lebanon, where the Christian population itself has declined by 60%. Even in Turkey, Islamists recently found it necessary to slit the throats of three Christians for publishing Bibles.
Of course, Islamist attacks are not limited to Christians and Jews. Why do we hear no Muslim condemnation of the ongoing slaughter of Buddhists in Thailand by Islamic groups? Why was there silence over the Mumbai train bombings which took the lives of over 200 Hindus in 2006? We must not forget that innocent Muslims, too, are suffering. Indeed, the most common murderers of Muslims are, and have always been, other Muslims. Where is the Muslim outcry over the Sunni-Shiite violence in Iraq?
Islamophobia could end when masses of Muslims demonstrate in the streets against videos displaying innocent people being beheaded with the same vigor we employ against airlines, Israel and cartoons of Muhammad. It might cease when Muslims unambiguously and publicly insist that Shariah law should have no binding legal status in free, democratic societies.
It is well past time that Muslims cease using the charge of "Islamophobia" as a tool to intimidate and blackmail those who speak up against suspicious passengers and against those who rightly criticize current Islamic practices and preachings. Instead, Muslims must engage in honest and humble introspection. Muslims should--must--develop strategies to rescue our religion by combating the tyranny of Salafi Islam and its dreadful consequences. Among more important outcomes, this will also put an end to so-called Islamophobia.
Dr. Hamid, a onetime member of Jemaah Islamiya, an Islamist terrorist group, is a medical doctor and Muslim reformer living in the West. |
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010123
When pigs fly... |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah ...How will you ever have true secular Islamic reformers....You will never see an Islamic version of a Schleiermacher, Bultman,or a Tillich as long as you have useful idiots who run around screaming about "Islamophobia"..... |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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When either "we" have killed every last one of them, or they have started another war against each other that results in wiping them all out will we see "Islamophobia" stopped. There are so many people (including myself) that hate them now. Most of the problems in the world are caused by these filthy little towel headed assholes. I can only dream of the day that they are wiped out and no longer cause trouble....  |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting comment.
I'd rather we be as critical of their ideas as we are of our own. It must be said time and time and time again that criticism of islam, the idea, is not only acceptable, but that those who do not do so are morally and intellectually stunted.
Hating individual muslims is absurd. Obedient muslims are the philosophical equivalent of a three-legged dog. More pathetic than anything else. Only criticism of their childish ideas will drag them (kicking, screaming, beheading and bombing) into the 19-20th century.
But if the criticism of their B.S. "faith" becomes as unacceptable as actual racism, we are ultimately hurting them the most. We will defend ourselves, one way or the other. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Is there a sexual component at play? Islam is definitely a male-driven ideology.
Do Imams get laid more than the average Muslim? |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| bjonothan wrote: |
| When either "we" have killed every last one of them, or they have started another war against each other that results in wiping them all out will we see "Islamophobia" stopped. There are so many people (including myself) that hate them now. Most of the problems in the world are caused by these filthy little towel headed assholes. I can only dream of the day that they are wiped out and no longer cause trouble.... |
You are a sad little man. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| samd wrote: |
| bjonothan wrote: |
| When either "we" have killed every last one of them, or they have started another war against each other that results in wiping them all out will we see "Islamophobia" stopped. There are so many people (including myself) that hate them now. Most of the problems in the world are caused by these filthy little towel headed assholes. I can only dream of the day that they are wiped out and no longer cause trouble.... |
You are a sad little man. |
Indeed. But this is our future. Their aggression will be met with ours, and so on, until something gives out. |
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cangel
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I am "Islamaphobic." Sorry, but like Vegas, I play the odds. And those odds are vastly in favor of a terrorist being a freak Islamic fundamentalist than any other religion. Yeah, it's sad, and yes, I am pathetic, but I am saying what many think and few voice. I don't want a bunch of young male Muslims on my flight. I would really consider changing planes. What this "peaceful" religion needs to do is to start policing itself. Internally. I know that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful people and as such they need to instill this in their children. Educate their children. Provide them with opportunity and something worth living for, not something worth dying for. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| cangel wrote: |
| I am "Islamaphobic." Sorry, but like Vegas, I play the odds. And those odds are vastly in favor of a terrorist being a freak Islamic fundamentalist than any other religion. |
Are you also afraid of men, seeing as how the vast majority of rapists are male? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| cangel wrote: |
| I am "Islamaphobic." Sorry, but like Vegas, I play the odds. And those odds are vastly in favor of a terrorist being a freak Islamic fundamentalist than any other religion. |
Are you also afraid of men, seeing as how the vast majority of rapists are male? |
If I were a woman, walking down a dark street at night, I would feel more nervous if I passed a man than if I passed a woman.
When I fly, I very quickly search for the grown men in PJ's and beards. I want to know where there are. I profile. Sorry dude.
I wouldn't be so darn islamosensitive if I thought muslims were busy taking care of their own problems. They aren't. The vast majority, in their silence, demonstrate their support for killing kuffar. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| It really pisses me off when I keep reading about more attempted attacks that we have stopped. We have had quite a few in Australia that we managed to stop. In the news today, they just stopped one at JFK. These people mingle in with everyone else until they carry out some kind of bombing which kills innocent women and children. They are cowards. In the middle east, they hide behind women and children. This will be our next problem for the future. Almost all of the problems in the world right now come from muslims. A lot of people are now changing their views about them because they see all of the problems they are causing. It isn't a religion anyway, it is a cult started by a paedophile.... |
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cangel
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| jaganath - Oh, what a witty retort... I don't know what to say. Ya got me. I'll just bow out gracefully before your astute intellect renders me an intellectual cripple. Well done, sir. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't be so darn islamosensitive if I thought muslims were busy taking care of their own problems. They aren't. The vast majority, in their silence, demonstrate their support for killing kuffar.
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - Mencken |
Couldn't help noting a certain, shall we say, resonance between that last paragraph of yours and the quote from Mencken ... maybe it's just me.
Smiles.
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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BJWD :
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I wouldn't be so darn islamosensitive if I thought muslims were busy taking care of their own problems. They aren't. The vast majority, in their silence, demonstrate their support for killing kuffar.
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - Mencken |
Couldn't help noting a certain, shall we say, resonance between that last paragraph of yours and the quote from Mencken ... maybe it's just me.
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I've been waiting for that..
Mencken's position is that the state needs an enemy or crises to justify the power it holds. This crises or enemy can be manufactured out of nothing (the "health care" scare in Canada, for example) or can be based upon a real threat and either exaggerated or simply exploited.
My position is that islam, the idea, is very similar to nazi ideology in almost every way. The idea must be opposed by every thinking person on earth. Europe had the dark ages, where religion dominated and free thought was punishable by the state. That time is coming again, with the islamic colonization of European cities and institutions (the relaxing of the prohibition of polygamy in the UK or the EU declaring that criticism of religion is against the law, are two BIG examples) by islamists and their lefty supporters.
I do not think we need to fight them, defeat them or convert them. I am fundamentally non-violent in every way. I think "they" (muslims, specifically the young men) should be kept out of the West. In addition, the claims of islam must be met with ridicule and condescension. The ideas must be treated with the respect that they deserve: None.
So, the connection between the quote and my ideas is loose, at best. The state wants us to forsake civil liberties and accept that daddy will always be watching, and I reject that. Sensible immigration and border policy along with a policy of not interfering in their nations should be enough to keep us safe from the intellectual cancer that is islam. I am perfectly fine with letting them kill eachother. I have zero issues with that. Europe had a very long road to civility (and in many ways that road is far from completed) and islam will have the same challenges.
And if we don't do this, and they keep pushing and pushing and pushing, you can be damn sure that a violent, grassroots response will be born in the West. In fact, we can see this happening already in Europe. Right-wing, nazi-ish youth are growing both in numbers and strength. It is totally possible that the muslims will create the backlash and political will that will re-crazy Europe and destroy much of islamic civilization. This doesn't have to happen, and only with a sensible policy of separation can this be prevented.
The progress (which is only progress away from religion) of Western civilization must be preserved. We can not allow those things that have made us what we are to die in the name of tolerance or multiculturalism.
And, ultimately, we won't. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| My position is that islam, the idea, is very similar to nazi ideology in almost every way. |
Wiki it. It's called Godwin's Law, says you can never win with an argument comparing anything to Naziism except, maybe, Naziism itself, and even then you might slip up. 
(Am I spelling Naziism right? Doesn't LOOK right. Someone told me, years of teaching and looking at students' writing messes up yer innate sense of what a correctly-spelled word looks like ... well,anyway.)
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| Europe had the dark ages, where religion dominated and free thought was punishable by the state. That time is coming again, with the islamic colonization of European cities and institutions (the relaxing of the prohibition of polygamy in the UK or the EU declaring that criticism of religion is against the law, are two BIG examples) by islamists and their lefty supporters. |
Religious fanaticism happens in other places besides those places where people know which direction Mecca is every minute of the day. Heard a story that some people don't want Darwin's name mentioned in American public shools ...
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| I think "they" (muslims, specifically the young men) should be kept out of the West. |
Good choice. Middle Eastern women are babelicious ... often voluptuous, and they have very big eyes, you can spend hours staring into them - Sorry, wrong thing to say right now. (Bad, bad Bobster!)
Look, you're trying to be sensible, but I'm afraid I have to say the obvious, that you are tarring an entire culture and religion with a brush that only needs to be used for a small minority within the larger group. Like saying all white people need to die because Timothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma and Charlie Manson killed an up-and-coming starlet, which inspired a really cool song from the Beatles ... no, wait, I think it was the other way around, now that I think.
How much do you really KNOW about Islam? Lotta people know more than me, of course, but what I DO know is there is nothing inherent in the religion that makes people strap bombs to themselves and shout absurdities before they die and take a lot of people with them. Sorry to give the news, there's just a whole LOT of other things out in the world that are enough to make people do that ... religion, in this case (and some others) turns out to be a convenient vehicle to carry that kind of garbage into people's heads.
I think you ARE trying to say that, though - that Islam is inherently violent, even though it's been around a while and only recently got this violence thing attached to it - and, personally, I just think you'd be better off to think about it a while more, that's all ...
Not trying to dis you with this, and always willing to talk about it more. Just saying, think about it a bit, that's all. |
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