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| Regarding fate/free will, I believe.... |
| Everything that happens does so for a reason that is part of a bigger, convergent plan. Somehow, all our life events are predetermined. |
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| Everything that happens is because of some cause, but there is no plan and all causes are subject to our own free will and choice such that we can choose our path |
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| There is some other explanation about how thing happen to us and the degree to which we can affect those things |
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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Location: Poh*A*ng City
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 Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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I have to apologize.
When I use the term "determinism" i'm using it in a philosophical sense meaning to exclude freewill, not a physical, or mathematical sense.
QM's is both deterministic and interdiministic depending on how you look at it... circa Alain Aspect and Heisenberg (both names you might have read in my past posts, had you been paying attention venus.)
The integer K actually has everything to do with this idea.
But, this has nothing to do with freewill though.
Freewill is not possible in either a deterministic, or an interdeterministic model of the universe.
Now I'll withdraw. |
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Zoobot
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it because that's the only tail you're getting that's making you so bitter? Wink |
did I come off as bitter? I meant to come off as intellectually goofy. I was trying to make light of a serious thread.
P.S. Tail is never a problem in zoobie's world.  |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| venus wrote: |
The concept of total freedom is impossible as is it's antithesis. Utter free will would be non existence.
... no human statement bears any relation to external reality... Even observing ourselves in relation to whether we have choice or not (the word itself may be an ontological mistake) we are using the superego - an abstract thing thus are our conclusions more than abstract assumption....
I think you and I and everyone else are all part of the universe experiencing itself (as we cannot be apart from it - it being all that exists) and thus the 'choices' we make are made by ourselves as the universe (whatever that is and it's causes are) causes the choices to happen anyhow and we are part of it able to observe it... I guess that's pantheism. |
What is existence and what is non-existence?
The starting point is seeing. When I see, I am.
Whence this seeing? Can it be called non-existence?
If I cannot see, I cannot even "speak" of "nothing."
Without being, what sense has seeing?
The seeing, without qualities, is all-pervading.
It is not dependent on time or space.
The qualities of seeing may vary.
In the end, the seeing remains.
Thus, seeing is always once-removed from being.
Or is it? Do I know? Does anyone know?
When the game begins, I determine the rules.
The game is within my seeing.
Since I see and I am, I am the game.
Once the game is begun, I follow the rules.
Can I intervene and bend the rules, or change them?
Do I want to?
What are the consequences of deviating from the rules?
Can the deviation be accommodated without disrupting
the game irrevocably and thus making it moot?
Does the game end?
What does it mean to say that the game has no end?
Or that the game begins and ends?
Am I waiting for a particular outcome?
I watch, I am, I do.
All parts of me are as I am, in essence.
I cannot take any part of me out of myself.
Whatever any part of me does, I do.
Since I see and I am, all parts of me see and are.
All parts of me play as I do, in essence.
Since I am the game, all parts of me are the game.
I know not what freedom is.
Therefore, all parts of me are as "free" as I am. |
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