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| I am an atheist, content with my disbelief |
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55% |
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| I am an atheist, who wishes I was agnostic |
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2% |
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| I am an atheist, who wishes I was a believer |
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| I am an agnostic, content with my indecision |
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| I am an agnostic, who wants to be atheist |
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| I am an agnostic, who wants to believe |
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| I am currently a believer, secure in my beliefs |
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| I am currently a believer, with small doubts |
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5% |
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| I am currently a believer, having a crisis with regards to my faith |
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| Other - please elaborate |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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I am not an atheist, nor agnostic, nor a fundamental believer in any religion. I am, however, convinced that there is a spiritual force in this universe and there is some sort of spiritual energy BEFORE a physical life as well as AFTER the physical body is no longer living.
Our very existence is based on energy that must come from somewhere and it doesn't just disappear when we die. From ashes to ashes and dust to dust. We return to where we came from whether in the physical or spiritual sense. Some of us come from better spiritual energy than others. We are NOT all created equal. |
Can you define this spiritual energy? [Yes, but I'm not going to do that here]
Can it be measured? [yes/no, but it's not that important]
When science [science is a long way off from discovering everything] speaks of energy it simply means the capacity of something to do work. Energy in science can be measured and quantified in a concrete way. |
There are some people who care to measure spiritual energy, but I really do not. |
Wow a ompelling case you do not present. You can define it, but you don't feel like it. You can measure it but at present you are busy.
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| science is a long way off from discovering everything |
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There is evidence of the paranormal, energy which is present in all life forms and the fact that science is still discovering this mysterious universe. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
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I am not an atheist, nor agnostic, nor a fundamental believer in any religion. I am, however, convinced that there is a spiritual force in this universe and there is some sort of spiritual energy BEFORE a physical life as well as AFTER the physical body is no longer living.
Our very existence is based on energy that must come from somewhere and it doesn't just disappear when we die. From ashes to ashes and dust to dust. We return to where we came from whether in the physical or spiritual sense. Some of us come from better spiritual energy than others. We are NOT all created equal. |
Can you define this spiritual energy? [Yes, but I'm not going to do that here]
Can it be measured? [yes/no, but it's not that important]
When science [science is a long way off from discovering everything] speaks of energy it simply means the capacity of something to do work. Energy in science can be measured and quantified in a concrete way. |
There are some people who care to measure spiritual energy, but I really do not. |
Wow a ompelling case you do not present. You can define it, but you don't feel like it. You can measure it but at present you are busy.
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| science is a long way off from discovering everything |
claim does not mean you can claim smething exists without evidence. |
There is evidence of the paranormal, energy which is present in all life forms and the fact that science is still discovering this mysterious universe. |
I agree with the third part, science is discovering new things all the time.
There is as far as I know little evidence for the paranomal. I'd be obliged if you could point it out to me. I'm not sure what you mean by energy being present in all life forms or how you are using the word. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
Other
I am not an atheist, nor agnostic, nor a fundamental believer in any religion. I am, however, convinced that there is a spiritual force in this universe and there is some sort of spiritual energy BEFORE a physical life as well as AFTER the physical body is no longer living.
Our very existence is based on energy that must come from somewhere and it doesn't just disappear when we die. From ashes to ashes and dust to dust. We return to where we came from whether in the physical or spiritual sense. Some of us come from better spiritual energy than others. We are NOT all created equal. |
Can you define this spiritual energy? [Yes, but I'm not going to do that here]
Can it be measured? [yes/no, but it's not that important]
When science [science is a long way off from discovering everything] speaks of energy it simply means the capacity of something to do work. Energy in science can be measured and quantified in a concrete way. |
There are some people who care to measure spiritual energy, but I really do not. |
Wow a ompelling case you do not present. You can define it, but you don't feel like it. You can measure it but at present you are busy.
This
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| science is a long way off from discovering everything |
claim does not mean you can claim smething exists without evidence. |
There is evidence of the paranormal, energy which is present in all life forms and the fact that science is still discovering this mysterious universe. |
I agree with the third part, science is discovering new things all the time.
There is as far as I know little evidence for the paranomal. I'd be obliged if you could point it out to me. I'm not sure what you mean by energy being present in all life forms or how you are using the word. |
I can point you to google and yahoo where you can start your searches about the paranormal. There's plenty of evidence to support that it exists. Many scientists and doctors are baffled - they can't explain these some of these things. It's a fascinating topic to study!
All life forms require energy for existence. Where does it come from, from the first molecule that it takes create a life form? Science has no answer for this. They talk about cells, but that's not enough to explain the actual presence of life itself. It's a mystery. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
Other
I am not an atheist, nor agnostic, nor a fundamental believer in any religion. I am, however, convinced that there is a spiritual force in this universe and there is some sort of spiritual energy BEFORE a physical life as well as AFTER the physical body is no longer living.
Our very existence is based on energy that must come from somewhere and it doesn't just disappear when we die. From ashes to ashes and dust to dust. We return to where we came from whether in the physical or spiritual sense. Some of us come from better spiritual energy than others. We are NOT all created equal. |
Can you define this spiritual energy? [Yes, but I'm not going to do that here]
Can it be measured? [yes/no, but it's not that important]
When science [science is a long way off from discovering everything] speaks of energy it simply means the capacity of something to do work. Energy in science can be measured and quantified in a concrete way. |
There are some people who care to measure spiritual energy, but I really do not. |
Wow a ompelling case you do not present. You can define it, but you don't feel like it. You can measure it but at present you are busy.
This
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| science is a long way off from discovering everything |
claim does not mean you can claim smething exists without evidence. |
There is evidence of the paranormal, energy which is present in all life forms and the fact that science is still discovering this mysterious universe. |
I agree with the third part, science is discovering new things all the time.
There is as far as I know little evidence for the paranomal. I'd be obliged if you could point it out to me. I'm not sure what you mean by energy being present in all life forms or how you are using the word. |
I can point you to google and yahoo where you can start your searches about the paranormal. There's plenty of evidence to support that it exists. Many scientists and doctors are baffled - they can't explain these some of these things. It's a fascinating topic to study!
All life forms require energy for existence. Where does it come from, from the first molecule that it takes create a life form? Science has no answer for this. They talk about cells, but that's not enough to explain the actual presence of life itself. It's a mystery. |
Well I just did a google search on the paranormal and as far as I can find out there is little or no evidence for pretty much everything I looked at. Indeed I notice that no-one has taken the million dollars on offer for
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| evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event |
at http://www.randi.org/research/index.html .
That seems odd if the evidence for the paranormal is as widespread as you imply. Give me a link to the evidence that you found most compelling.
So scientists do not exactly how life began. You are missing several steps between this and your idea that there is an energy in all living things. Where is the evidence for this? Just because something is a mystery and as yet unexplained doesn't mean that any explanation you make up is right. Especially as you can't explain what u mean by energy. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Vicissitude
Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Science doesn't have all the answers, yet you claim to know more. When asked to explain you point to google and yahoo. This shows you to be lazy and poorly prepared in defining what you believe.
There are many gaps in science, doesn't mean fairies exist. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| There is evidence of the paranormal |
There is none. Sorry. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Vicissitude
Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Science doesn't have all the answers, yet you claim to know more. When asked to explain you point to google and yahoo. This shows you to be lazy and poorly prepared in defining what you believe.
There are many gaps in science, doesn't mean fairies exist. |
He fobbed off as such on the evolution thread. He's not really much of scholar. No surprise. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| There is evidence of the paranormal |
There is none. Sorry. |
Harsh! |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| There is evidence of the paranormal |
There is none. Sorry. |
Well, if you believe that, it's your choice. I'm not going to debate this subject on here. I have other things to do that are more pressing and important. This debate would take all day and night and still some people are too hard headed to be objective. They would only believe what they want to believe and turn this debate into come kind of a circus. No thanks! |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| There is evidence of the paranormal |
There is none. Sorry. |
Well, if you believe that, it's your choice. I'm not going to debate this subject on here. I have other things to do that are more pressing and important. This debate would take all day and night and still some people are too hard headed to be objective. They would only believe what they want to believe and turn this debate into come kind of a circus. No thanks! |
Let me translate.
I don't have any evidence for my claims. Therefore I will save face by claiming lack of time. Why get into a debate where I would have to present evidence and a logical argument? . No thanks! |
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Kyrei
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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I sort of object to the "Secure in my disbelief" for the word disbelief is defined as:!) The inability or refusal to believe or to accept something as true
2) Refusal or reluctance to believe These definitions imply that someone chooses to not believe in something that patently exists; I other words, in defiance of phsyical evidence.
I am an atheist and very strong in my beliefs: I believe there is no god. Disbelief has no part in the equation. To be perfectly clear, when I say "there is no god" it is a short form of: "since it is impossible to prove a negative assertion, it is so statistically improbable that god exists that one might as well say 'there is no god' and be considered correct". I cannot prove there is no god any more than christians can prove there is a god. In the absence of conclusive proof one way or the other, I will tend toward the provable and am firmly, thoroughly, and wholeheartedly convinced that there is no god.
I am also open-minded. Give me any proof other than something faith-based, because faith is a feeling and therefore unquantifiable and subjective, and I will seriously re-think my position. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| There is evidence of the paranormal |
There is none. Sorry. |
Well, if you believe that, it's your choice. I'm not going to debate this subject on here. I have other things to do that are more pressing and important. This debate would take all day and night and still some people are too hard headed to be objective. They would only believe what they want to believe and turn this debate into come kind of a circus. No thanks! |
Let me translate.
I don't have any evidence for my claims. Therefore I will save face by claiming lack of time. Why get into a debate where I would have to present evidence and a logical argument? . No thanks! |
Seconded. Let me suggest that the fact there are no departments of ESP at Harvard and MIT is evidence there is no proof. |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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I lot of people mis-define Atheists as people who are sure god doesn't exist, while in fact the majority of Atheists (except the whiny juvenile types) just do not see any evidence for God whatsoever but recognize that it is not completely impossible for a God to exist, just so unlikely that a positive belief in such a being is highly irrational. H.P. Lovecraft said it better than I can:
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| I certainly can't see any sensible position to assume aside from that of complete skepticism tempered by a leaning toward that which existing evidence makes most probable. All I say is that I think it is damned unlikely that anything like a central cosmic will, a spirit world, or an eternal survival of personality exist. They are the most preposterous and unjustified of all the guesses which can be made about the universe, and I am not enough of a hair-splitter to pretend that I don't regard them as arrant and negligible moonshine. In theory I am an agnostic, but pending the appearance of rational evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist. The chance's of theism's truth being to my mind so microscopically small, I would be a pedant and a hypocrite to call myself anything else. |
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