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The Mobile Infantry Made Me What I Am Today!
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yawarakaijin



Joined: 08 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

contrarian wrote:
My middle son (I'm old) just qualified to join the Canadian Army. He has an 18" Titanium rod attached to his spine from scoliosis. He just finished basic and is doing his next step in Armor.

He wants to go to Afghanistan. . . .

Confused


By no means do I disbelieve you, I'm just curious. How was your son allowed in? I was kicked from the recruitment process the moment they learned I had previously dislocated a shoulder...
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know he had tried several times before. He is quite fit and has a 2nd degree black belt in Tae Kwon do. There are some moves at the top level that his rigid spine makes impossible. He has most of a university degree and I expct that helps
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mcgeezer



Joined: 17 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soldiers are never to blame for startingor contonuing a war....it's the cowards who send these young boys and girls to do their dirty work and unfinished business.....
To bad the Bush twins and other government litters couln't be sent into combat, otherwise America would never be in another global conflict ever (unless invaded of course)
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgeezer, if you believe that you are a fool,
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mcgeezer



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beleive which part??
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:32 am    Post subject: Re: The Mobile Infantry Made Me What I Am Today! Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
[. As I've said, I'm of two minds. On the one hand, it's good that people who want to serve are allowed to. On the other hand, I think it shows that the military today needs so many bodies at work that they will take folk back who once were not considered "able." It's a little disturbing, I thought it was worth a comment.



On the one hand I agree with you.

On the other I have to disagree. I do not think it is disturbing and here is why. In the past as you said, disabled people were not allowed to serve even if they wished. This was in LARGE part because of a perjorative attitude towards the disabled in the past. They were not considered able to perform their jobs even if after some time to heal they were able to.

I think this shows a much better attitude towards the disabled in today's society. They have earned the right to make the choice (they always have had the RIGHT, of course, but until recently were unable to use it because of the perjorative attitude that I mentioned before)
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cangel



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I previously mentioned, why is a double amputee able to reenlist and a fat @ss totally unable to enlist? Seems to me there are tons of support positions, rear-echelon puke positions that could be staffed by wide-bodies. Oh, and I am not talking sumo-sized b@stards here, just guys who had a few too many chili cheese fries with their diet coke.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cangel wrote:
As I previously mentioned, why is a double amputee able to reenlist and a fat @ss totally unable to enlist? Seems to me there are tons of support positions, rear-echelon puke positions that could be staffed by wide-bodies. Oh, and I am not talking sumo-sized b@stards here, just guys who had a few too many chili cheese fries with their diet coke.

I accuse you of trying to trivialize a discussion that so far has been serious by comparing amputation to people who like chili cheese fries.

I've been called fat, many times, myself. It's ugly to put it anywhere close to someone who has already displayed the ability to make sacrifices for people he has not and will never meet, and then wants to do it again.

You think this is a joke. A lot of us do not. Please, stop.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: The Mobile Infantry Made Me What I Am Today! Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
The Bobster wrote:
[. As I've said, I'm of two minds. On the one hand, it's good that people who want to serve are allowed to. On the other hand, I think it shows that the military today needs so many bodies at work that they will take folk back who once were not considered "able." It's a little disturbing, I thought it was worth a comment.



On the one hand I agree with you.

On the other I have to disagree. I do not think it is disturbing and here is why. In the past as you said, disabled people were not allowed to serve even if they wished. This was in LARGE part because of a perjorative attitude towards the disabled in the past. They were not considered able to perform their jobs even if after some time to heal they were able to.

I think this shows a much better attitude towards the disabled in today's society. They have earned the right to make the choice (they always have had the RIGHT, of course, but until recently were unable to use it because of the perjorative attitude that I mentioned before)

Actually, I think this is one of those rare times when we agree completely ... I DO think the manpower shortage plays into it, though, at least a little. They need people to put on a uniform, and it's not a popular war, so they are putting people back in uniform who have already been injured, which is a new policy.

Almost NO ONE in America thinks we are doing the right thing by being there. People seem to be figuring out that it's not good for America.

So, maybe it's time to end this thing. End it now.
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not new policy.

Returning the injured to combat and non-combat position has always been policy.

It was just more popular to opt for disability, it pays to be disabled.

It's not new, it's just news.

cbc
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
It's not new policy.

I guess you didn't read the article ...

In an about-face by the Pentagon, the military is putting many more amputees back on active duty � even back into combat, in some cases.

Previously, a soldier who lost a limb almost automatically received a quick discharge, a disability check and an appointment with the Veterans Administration.

Sounds like a new policy to me ...

Smiles, y'all.
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Re: The Mobile Infantry Made Me What I Am Today! Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
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Almost NO ONE in America thinks we are doing the right thing by being there. People seem to be figuring out that it's not good for America.

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umm not exactly sir.

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

43% say the U.S did not make a mistake going in (latest results)

31% approve of Bush's handling of the war

39% oppose setting a timetable

64% approve of setting benchmarks for the Iraq government to meet

26% say stay as long as it takes.

44% think the war in Iraq HAS increased security for America

And a staggering 60% percent would be less likely to vote for someone who supports cutting the funding of the war.

It would be more correct to say a majority do not think America is doing the right thing. Certainly it's not "Almost NO ONE"

Cheers.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GI to serve in Iraq after cancer battle

The 42-year-old mother of two from Los Angeles is again poised for duty after an aggressive treatment plan � including a May 22 lumpectomy, a second surgery a week later and a five-day targeted radiation treatment. Staying behind wasn't an option, she said.

"The commander said, 'Are you sure? You have an opportunity to go home and be with your family and go through this.' And I said, 'No, I have a family here. I have my civilian family, but this is where I need to be and where I'm needed,'" Cowie said [...]

"I knew this would not deter her. She was just determined to go. That's the kind of person she is," Pearl Cowie said.

Sgt. Juan Padilla, 37, of Riverside, Calif., said Cowie's decision to go to Iraq inspired the 1113th as it prepares to deploy.

"If she can go through all of that, through cancer and just wanting to go after all that, we can overcome anything," he said. "That's going to keep everybody's morale up."


Cool.

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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAMPA, Fla. - He lies flat, unseeing eyes fixed on the ceiling, tubes and machines feeding him, breathing for him, keeping him alive. He cannot walk or talk, but he can grimace and cry. And he is fully aware of what has happened to him.

Four years ago almost to this day, Joseph Briseno Jr. was shot in the back of the head at point-blank range in a Baghdad marketplace. His spinal cord was shattered, and cardiac arrests stole his vision and damaged his brain.

He is one of the most severely injured soldiers � some think the most injured soldier � to survive.

�Three things you would not want to be: blind, head injury, and paralyzed from the neck down. That�s tough,� said Dr. Steven Scott, head of the Polytrauma Rehabilitation Center at the Tampa VA Medical Center, where Briseno has twice been hospitalized for extensive care. In recent days, Briseno was hospitalized yet again, this time at the Washington, D.C., VA Medical Center.

As a high schooler, Briseno liked the Discovery Channel and CSI, and wanted to be a forensic scientist or investigator. He was 20 years old, attending George Mason University, when he was called up from the reserves and sent to war.

After he was shot, he was flown to Kuwait and then to a military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany. His parents and two sisters rushed to his side.

�They told us, �Prepare for his service.� That�s how bad he was,� said his father, Joseph Briseno Sr., a retired career Army man.

But he survived. From Germany, he went to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Bethesda, Md., then to McGuire VA Medical Center in Richmond, Va. In December 2003, he went home, to Manassas Park, Va., where his parents, Joseph Sr. and Eva, quit their jobs to care for him.

�All our savings, all our money, was just emptied ... the 401(k)s, everything,� said Joseph Briseno, who took a new job a year and a half ago to make ends meet.

�We learned everything�
Various charities, especially Rebuilding Together, raised money to renovate their basement, supply a backup generator for the medical equipment, and install a lift so they can hoist �Jay,� as they call him, into a chair and bathe him in a handicapped accessible bathroom.

�If you asked me this from the very beginning, if we can handle it, I wouldn�t lie to you. I would say no, that there is no way. There�s no way that we�re going to learn all these things. But my wife and I, we learned everything. We are the respiratory technician, we are the physical therapists, occupational therapists, speech therapists ... his wound care nurse,� Joseph Briseno said.

�It�s a lot of work and it�s hard, and some days are harder than the other days. But we don�t take this as a burden for us because he�s our son. We will do everything for him.�

The family has help from VA-provided nurses, but not around the clock. Jay�s mother and father often do overnight duty, making sure their son is turned every four hours so he does not develop bedsores, which can become infected and threaten his life. If they do not turn him and keep him on schedule, he does not sleep well and becomes agitated.

At the Tampa VA, a nurse taught Jay Briseno to swallow his saliva � a big step that allowed him to have some pureed foods instead of just tube-feeding. He has not been able to handle any solid food, though � his injuries are too profound.

More recently, the Tampa staff tried to wean him from the respirator. This involved painstaking therapy to strengthen his diaphragm by placing weights on his belly and gradually increasing the air pressure on the machine to try to create resistance and muscle strength. So far, it hasn�t worked.

He has had other trials: surgeries, procedures and medications for bladder problems, high blood pressure, the opening for his breathing tube, dead tissue on his tongue � even an ingrown toenail. The latest is the bone disease, osteoporosis.

He can respond to questions by grunting or grimacing, and occasionally can say �mom� or �go,� but not consistently. He often opens his mouth.

�We believe he is very frustrated because he wants to say something. Those are the hardest times for us, especially when he�s sick or not feeling well. He just lays there. We don�t know what�s wrong with him,� Joseph Briseno said.

They pray that he will continue to improve, not get worse. And they hope to move to Tampa, where they believe their son can get the best care.

�We always have hope. One day at a time � that�s the way we live our lives,� the elder Briseno said. �We�re so lucky to have him. He was a very good son from the very beginning. God gave Jay to us and he�s a blessing to us.�

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19403909/
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