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Does being pregnant make you a crap teacher?
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Does being pregnant make you a crap teacher? Reply with quote

One of my co-teachers told me a couple of weeks back that she was in the early stages of pregnancy and had to sit down.

Since then she has been completely apathetic to her role in the classroom. She comes late, doesn't come, comes and sits there, comes and looks sorry for herself, comes and wanders around not helping or guiding the students or my favorite comes and looks in the window then stands outside the door.

Is this normal behavior for pregnant women? Should I be more sympathetic. I don't really want her there if she doesn't want to be there but a decision would be nice rather than just flopping about like a wet fish.
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shifdog



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea it's acceptable for pregnant women to be lazy.
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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough.

She used to be on the ball as well.

I will be more sympathetic to her situation.
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nobbyken



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife was floored with tiredness from week 8 to 12, but has been OK since. My sister had tiredness throughout almost all of her second pregnancy.

The tiredness and lack of energy will probably pass and she will blossom for the remainder of her pregnancy.
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garykasparov



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bosintang



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stressful time for public school teachers right now, too. Demo lessons, contests, and all that jazz. They take these things seriously. It might be grinding her down more than usual.
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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shall climb into my tactful shoes and be nice. Hopefully she will remember and I can cash it in at a later date.
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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shall climb into my tactful shoes and be nice. Hopefully she will remember and I can cash it in at a later date.
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Does being pregnant make you a crap teacher? Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
One of my co-teachers told me a couple of weeks back that she was in the early stages of pregnancy and had to sit down.

Since then she has been completely apathetic to her role in the classroom. She comes late, doesn't come, comes and sits there, comes and looks sorry for herself, comes and wanders around not helping or guiding the students or my favorite comes and looks in the window then stands outside the door.

Is this normal behavior for pregnant women? Should I be more sympathetic. I don't really want her there if she doesn't want to be there but a decision would be nice rather than just flopping about like a wet fish.


Well, I felt like crap quite a bit when I was pregnant, but I didn't want my team to suffer because I wasn't feeling 100%. I'd feel guilty if my co-workers had to pick up my slack. You know, there are lots of ppl working that don't feel 100% (I know a couple of guys that are chronically hungover Laughing ). Someone in my office has Parkinson's, but he comes to work every day, on time, and tries hard to do his best. He was a role model for me on days when I felt particularly nauseous.

Personally, I think if you are dragging your butt every day and can't contribute or don't do the work you are paid to do, you shouldn't be working. I have a strong work ethic, but not everyone else does. I also think you should leave personal issues at the door- when you come to work, you put on your game face. But again, not everyone else is like that, so I guess it's unrealistic to expect it from everybody. Anyway, OP, I'm sorry for your situation. I have a feeling you will have to pick up some of her slack, unfortunately. I don't think Korean society has the same expectations of pregnant women that we do, so I wouldn't expect much from her.
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Wondering



Joined: 23 May 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are also the women who have a difficult time STAYING pregnant. They might need the extra sitting down time, not just for their health, but for the baby's life.
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Ozabout7or8



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am on the side the you should cut her some slack. I have heard though that Korean women have a habit of staying in Maternity hospital for over a month after giving birth and for basically needing to be waited on hand and foot for a few months afterwards.

You might need to attribute this to their confucian heritage and that baby of hers might be so important to her that she would do anything to ensure it is healthy and born safe. It might be a boy!!^^

You could sit down for half an hour at the beginning of the week and try and devise some ways you can involve her in the lesson without her having to be too active, because it is possible you know.

You could:

1. Ask you students to go to her with problems to check;
2. Have activities where she can participate but simply by being in the same spot and students come to her;
3. Get the students to do some homework and she could help mark it during classtime;
4. Get some assistance from her before the lesson to ask her what she is more comfortable doing. Don't just say "what is more comfortable?" but instead offer her a couple of alternatives that she might like such as: her taking a part of the lesson, you taking all of it but she assists, or her agreeing to take part in some activities or games as a (seated) helper.

I think overall you have to feel sorry for her because she shouldn't be working in her condition and it is the fault of Korean School system that means she only has a certain portion of time off when pregnant. Sometimes life doesn't go the way it is written in those 10 year old school regulations....She might have to choose between her career and the baby's health...

Oz
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shifdog wrote:
In Korea it's acceptable for pregnant women to be lazy.

qft

Also many Koreans believe that even mild exercise/movement during the early months of pregnancy can cause the baby to fall out Rolling Eyes
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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think overall you have to feel sorry for her because she shouldn't be working in her condition and it is the fault of Korean School system that means she only has a certain portion of time off when pregnant. Sometimes life doesn't go the way it is written in those 10 year old school regulations....She might have to choose between her career and the baby's health...


We are talking weeks of pregnancy not months. It's not like she is a beached whale.

People in the UK/US work up until late into the pregnancy with no problems
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ozabout7or8 wrote:
I am on the side the you should cut her some slack. I have heard though that Korean women have a habit of staying in Maternity hospital for over a month after giving birth and for basically needing to be waited on hand and foot for a few months afterwards.

You might need to attribute this to their confucian heritage and that baby of hers might be so important to her that she would do anything to ensure it is healthy and born safe. It might be a boy!!^^

You could sit down for half an hour at the beginning of the week and try and devise some ways you can involve her in the lesson without her having to be too active, because it is possible you know.

You could:

1. Ask you students to go to her with problems to check;
2. Have activities where she can participate but simply by being in the same spot and students come to her;
3. Get the students to do some homework and she could help mark it during classtime;
4. Get some assistance from her before the lesson to ask her what she is more comfortable doing. Don't just say "what is more comfortable?" but instead offer her a couple of alternatives that she might like such as: her taking a part of the lesson, you taking all of it but she assists, or her agreeing to take part in some activities or games as a (seated) helper.

I think overall you have to feel sorry for her because she shouldn't be working in her condition and it is the fault of Korean School system that means she only has a certain portion of time off when pregnant. Sometimes life doesn't go the way it is written in those 10 year old school regulations....She might have to choose between her career and the baby's health...

Oz


3 months is standard time off- same in the states, I think. She isn't getting shafted by the Korean school system.

She shouldn't be working in her condition? I thought she was only a few weeks pregnant? OP, did you mention there was some problem with her pregnancy? If not, I don't see any problem with her working. If she has something like hyperemesis, that's a different story, but she wouldn't be working if that were the case.

Pregnant shoolteachers are able to work just fine. I worked 'til I was 39 weeks pregnant, and I didn't expect ppl to baby me. To suggest to the OP that she needs to treat her co-worker like a delicate flower is ridiculous, IMO. Rolling Eyes
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Labor Standards Act

Article 72 (Protection of Health of Pregnant Female)


Those are a lot of words to mean "but of course, you can just fire her if you prefer".
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