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SMOE, where will I end up?

 
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wings



Joined: 09 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:22 am    Post subject: SMOE, where will I end up? Reply with quote

I have applied for a job with SMOE and I told my recruiter that I am only interested in working in central Seoul. I know that we don't get to choose where we end up, but I'm wondering what the chances are that I will end up en central Seoul. Has anyone with SMOE ended up where they didn't want to be?? If I end up getting asigned to somewhere on the edge of Seoul, or with a crappy apartment do I have any options??
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Ozabout7or8



Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: NZ

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is some leeway for them to give you your wish but it all depends on the number of other teachers who have similar wishes, who asked first, and far more importantly from their perspective, which area's are in greatest need of an English Teacher.

You are hired as a government resource and the govt gets to choose where it puts you within Seoul. There are desires on your side and also their which can often be met with a happy compromise if you say the right things and get in early.

If you are still at the recruiter stage then ask them to press your case. If it is at the level of an ultimatum "here or else" for you then make this clear also.

Seoul is a big place and the subway system is fantastic. You may end up being further from "downtown" than you like, but there are something like 10 or 15 decent shopping districts in Seoul so don't stress too much.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your desire to be in central Seoul may backfire. You may end up in the Co-op at Dongdaemun. What's that? University style accommodation, very small, bloody awful, lots of complaints.

Out of curiosity, Wings, how familiar are you with Seoul at this moment in time? How informed is your "only interest" in working/living in the center? How central is 'central'? Do you consider Itaewon, Hongdae, Shinchon central? I'd much rather live in Itaewon or Shinchon than anywhere in the center. How does Kangnam fit? Any mention of 'central' Seoul must be regarded as suspicious because the situation in the city isn't as straightforward as .... "okay, here's the center where everything cool is, and then there's the suburbs"....and really, discussing the center without due consideration of Kangnam and Mokdong is absurd to anyone familiar with the city - yet these places are several miles apart and even sometimes divided by a river. If you know all that already, apologies....just tryna help. But generally, being solely interested in 'the center' is suggestive of a newb who hasn't a clue what the *beep* he's doing and this backfires. I'm 5 miles from the 'centre' (double to Kangnam) yet am very comfortably close to everything of note in the city, have an apartment I like opposite a major department store - whereas folks who demanded to work in the center are in accomm that's an absolute joke and are unhappy.
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wings



Joined: 09 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By central I just mean in actual Seoul, not the surrounding metropolitan area. I imagine that when a lot of teachers get hired from abroad they say "Seoul" and get shipped off to the suburbs. I would be happy with Hongdae, Itaewan etc

I read the last post about this bad housing situation and I am going to talk to my recruiter to see what can be done.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wings wrote:
By central I just mean in actual Seoul, not the surrounding metropolitan area. I imagine that when a lot of teachers get hired from abroad they say "Seoul" and get shipped off to the suburbs. I would be happy with Hongdae, Itaewan etc

I read the last post about this bad housing situation and I am going to talk to my recruiter to see what can be done.


If you are signed with SMOE (Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education) you will be within Seoul city limits.

The neighboring cities and suburbs are under the jurisdiction of either Gyeonggi Office of Education or (if within the Incheon city boundary) the Incheon office of education.

As a foreign hire (coming from abroad) you will have virtually no input in regards to where in Seoul you will be placed. If you were in Korea you could apply and interview and individual schools but it is not an option for you if you are not in Korea.

If I was you I would be more worried about the quality of the school and its resources and not the proximity to nightlife.

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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
wings wrote:
By central I just mean in actual Seoul, not the surrounding metropolitan area. I imagine that when a lot of teachers get hired from abroad they say "Seoul" and get shipped off to the suburbs. I would be happy with Hongdae, Itaewan etc

I read the last post about this bad housing situation and I am going to talk to my recruiter to see what can be done.


If you are signed with SMOE (Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education) you will be within Seoul city limits.

The neighboring cities and suburbs are under the jurisdiction of either Gyeonggi Office of Education or (if within the Incheon city boundary) the Incheon office of education.

As a foreign hire (coming from abroad) you will have virtually no input in regards to where in Seoul you will be placed. If you were in Korea you could apply and interview and individual schools but it is not an option for you if you are not in Korea.

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Is it possible to negotiate directly with elementary and middle schools?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

butlerian wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
wings wrote:
By central I just mean in actual Seoul, not the surrounding metropolitan area. I imagine that when a lot of teachers get hired from abroad they say "Seoul" and get shipped off to the suburbs. I would be happy with Hongdae, Itaewan etc

I read the last post about this bad housing situation and I am going to talk to my recruiter to see what can be done.


If you are signed with SMOE (Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education) you will be within Seoul city limits.

The neighboring cities and suburbs are under the jurisdiction of either Gyeonggi Office of Education or (if within the Incheon city boundary) the Incheon office of education.

As a foreign hire (coming from abroad) you will have virtually no input in regards to where in Seoul you will be placed. If you were in Korea you could apply and interview and individual schools but it is not an option for you if you are not in Korea.

.


Is it possible to negotiate directly with elementary and middle schools?


If you are in Korea, YES. That is how I got my current job. I know many mid / long timers who have done the same. Probably 30% of public teachers are hired directly by the school and some negotiation is possible.

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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
butlerian wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
wings wrote:
By central I just mean in actual Seoul, not the surrounding metropolitan area. I imagine that when a lot of teachers get hired from abroad they say "Seoul" and get shipped off to the suburbs. I would be happy with Hongdae, Itaewan etc

I read the last post about this bad housing situation and I am going to talk to my recruiter to see what can be done.


If you are signed with SMOE (Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education) you will be within Seoul city limits.

The neighboring cities and suburbs are under the jurisdiction of either Gyeonggi Office of Education or (if within the Incheon city boundary) the Incheon office of education.

As a foreign hire (coming from abroad) you will have virtually no input in regards to where in Seoul you will be placed. If you were in Korea you could apply and interview and individual schools but it is not an option for you if you are not in Korea.

.


Is it possible to negotiate directly with elementary and middle schools?


If you are in Korea, YES. That is how I got my current job. I know many mid / long timers who have done the same. Probably 30% of public teachers are hired directly by the school and some negotiation is possible.

.


Contracts are through SMOE, not the school. You always know your shiot, but I have yet to meet a SMOE teacher that got their job through the school.
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