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juicyhumdinger
Joined: 03 Jan 2005
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 Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: To Ghostwrite or not to Ghostwrite. . . |
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I've been approached to ghostwrite a PHD for a prof here in language theory. My MA was in TESOL, so I've got a solid background to start with. Would you do it, and how much would you charge? They said they'd pay me 3.5 million, finish in August. I think that's too low. They've given me a working document to start with, but lemme tell ya, it's a stinker!
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trubadour
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not experienced or knowledgebale on the subject. Still, it sounds like fraud, and lying as we know, is of no benifit to anyone, in the long run. Get your name on the document or don't do it. |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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For one thing, it's illegal. Potentially big trouble for you.
For another, think about the ethics involved: academic integrity, scholarly achievement, the example they are supposed to represent.
If you do do it, think of what they can gain: prestige, maybe a tenured position. 3.5 million seems pretty cheap. |
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jay-shi
Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Assuming it's legal work and ethical issues aside.
Review the working document and try to estimate how many hours you'd have to work on it.
Figure out the hourly rate such work represents for you, what the going market rate is for such work and accept their offer or make a counter offer.
It does seem on the low end if you'll be working on this through August.
Good luck. |
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beekeeper3000
Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| If you think the paper is "a stinker" I'd personally want to get paid BEFORE it gets graded. I'm sure being blamed for someone else's lousy work is not what you want. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Ghostwriters investigated: Firms selling graduate projects face charges
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The head of the company hired ghostwriters of doctoral degrees, often college undergraduates, and let them write master�s theses for customers, the prosecution said. The customers paid between 1.5 million won and 4 million won per thesis.
According to the prosecution�s investigation, most of the fake theses passed examinations. The universities that administered those examinations reportedly included top universities in Seoul. "The customers gave minimal information to the ghostwriters, such as a title and table of contents, and the writers researched and found references," said prosecutor Park Seong-hoon.
A professor who was part of an examination committee that accepted several ghostwritten theses said, "The quality of the theses was poor, but I didn't want to disqualify them. I never knew they were written by others."
The prosecution suspects that at least 30 illegal ghostwriting businesses are in operation. |
Kang J. A. (2003, March 17).
Ghostwriters investigated: Firms selling graduate projects face charges. JoongAng Daily. Retrieved on March 17, 2003 from http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200303/17/200303170205221879900090409041.html
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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=1949410
Ghostwriters Enjoy Boom
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Some �hagwons,� private learning institutes, are selling resumes to students, who are searching for ways to gain an advantage in the fiercely competitive race for college admission, Yonhap reported yesterday.
The hagwons make resumes based on students� profiles. They cost from 10,000 won to 4 million won....
According to Kim, most students who apply to Yonsei University and Sungkyunkwan University ask private institutes for help writing their resumes because the schools value the resumes more than other universities.
Online paper agencies have also been accused of ghostwriting resumes for students. The fees range from 50,000 won to 70,000 won, and 100,000 won for English-written resume. The agencies originally targeted college graduates looking for jobs, however, they now look to high school students who want help getting into university.... |
By Kang Shin-who, Korea Times (September 28, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2981632 |
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wings
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Some �hagwons,� private learning institutes, are selling resumes to students, who are searching for ways to gain an advantage in the fiercely competitive race for college admission, Yonhap reported yesterday.
The hagwons make resumes based on students� profiles. They cost from 10,000 won to 4 million won....
According to Kim, most students who apply to Yonsei University and Sungkyunkwan University ask private institutes for help writing their resumes because the schools value the resumes more than other universities.
Online paper agencies have also been accused of ghostwriting resumes for students. The fees range from 50,000 won to 70,000 won, and 100,000 won for English-written resume. The agencies originally targeted college graduates looking for jobs, however, they now look to high school students who want help getting into university.... |
What's wrong with writing someones resume for them???? I've done it loads of times, and gotten lots of help with mine. I think there are professional resume writers all over the place and as far as I know it is a legit job. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Some �hagwons,� private learning institutes, are selling resumes to students, who are searching for ways to gain an advantage in the fiercely competitive race for college admission, Yonhap reported yesterday.
The hagwons make resumes based on students� profiles. They cost from 10,000 won to 4 million won....
According to Kim, most students who apply to Yonsei University and Sungkyunkwan University ask private institutes for help writing their resumes because the schools value the resumes more than other universities.
Online paper agencies have also been accused of ghostwriting resumes for students. The fees range from 50,000 won to 70,000 won, and 100,000 won for English-written resume. The agencies originally targeted college graduates looking for jobs, however, they now look to high school students who want help getting into university.... |
What's wrong with writing someones resume for them???? I've done it loads of times, and gotten lots of help with mine. I think there are professional resume writers all over the place and as far as I know it is a legit job. |
Try reading OP again "I've been approached to ghostwrite a PHD for a prof here in language theory." Nothing there about a resume.
Of course the OP shouldn't do it, but the stupid university should also be able to know darn straight that it ain't the original work of the ESL student. Hence, the investigation and the blame on you! The student will say "He/she forced me to pay him/her for their work."
You are guilty, ha ha ha!!! If you do it, you should insert/include some Konglishee. |
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wings
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I know that the original post wasn't about a resume, but if you look at what I quoted it is about ghostwriting resumes......... |
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Poemer
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Mullae
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| That is definitely not enough money in my opinion. A doctoral thesis represents a huge investment of time and thought; it's supposed to be the crowning achievement of years of hard work and study. Skipping out on that commitment and reaping the academic prestige that comes with having a PhD isn't that cheap, unless they just want you to re-write and reorganize their lousy thesis. If you are making significant changes, adding original ideas or altering the content, get more money. If this schmuck can afford to pay 3.5 million won to have someone else do his work for him, then he can afford to pay more. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans don't help foreigners(which is what I learned/read prior to coming here). I have found that to be mostly true, especially in times of a real need of help. They may help a little, but then they quit. Why would you help him/them? |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| If you have to ask whether to do something on a message board, you probably should not do it. You obviously don't think it is ethical. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Report him to the chair of his/her department. Friggin pathetic. Get it on tape if possible. Make an example of the schmuck...call it in to the papers. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Do NOT do this. If you have any respect for personal integrity or helping the joke that is the Korean university system ever get better, you owe it to yourself to turn this jackass in.
We all saw the articles about how not ONE K-Univ got onto the top 100 list of universities. THIS IS WHY. It's a system built on personal connections, lying, cheating and general ineptitude. Do not help facilitate this system any further than it already is. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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You're kidding. Right? Ethical issues aside - who in their right mind is going to 'ghost write' a Ph.D. thesis? Do you have any comprehension of the amount of work and time involved doing this?
From my Doctoral studies I would say hundreds of hours - just to get a concise - logical - well written thesis that would pass an external examiner. But this is Korea, they'll probably just put a cover on it and promote the lazy, lying, cheating so and so who'se posing as an academic.
And given other posters' proof-reading experiences (non payment, or initially paying then defaulting) - I'd certainly be asking for 10,000,000 up front. Anything less - you're being taken for a ride. |
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