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irwinpryce
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Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: smoking |
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Hey,
Im a smoker, cough cough, about to die etc.
What are the regualtions and laws regarding smoking in South Korea?
Can you smoke in cafes, pubs, nightclubs etc?
Can you smoke on the streets in downtown?
Have you noticed anything strange about smoking in South Korea, e.g. do people smoke in uunusual places, or are they not allowed to smoke in places you would expect?
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tyleranthony

Joined: 17 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: |
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rules? ha... people smoke almost everywhere. id say 98% of restaurants (i've been to) allow smoking, and the places that do have "rules"...the adjosshis just take them as a suggestion, and rarely follow them. the only place i'd advise not smoking is on public transportation. you have absolutely nothing to worry about. |
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maeil
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Location: Haebangchon
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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If you're a guy, smoke wherever you damn well please.
If you're a girl, you're expected to smoke only indoors. Be prepared for dirty looks if you're walking down the street with a cig. |
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Treefarmer

Joined: 29 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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maeil wrote: |
If you're a guy, smoke wherever you damn well please.
If you're a girl, you're expected to smoke only indoors. Be prepared for dirty looks if you're walking down the street with a cig. |
i think westen women get away with it, my (english) girlfriend used to smoke and never noticed any dirty looks or anything (at least not any more than is normal to get from old gits for being 'in their country' etc |
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CoDeReBeL

Joined: 04 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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maeil wrote: |
If you're a guy, smoke wherever you damn well please.
If you're a girl, you're expected to smoke only indoors. Be prepared for dirty looks if you're walking down the street with a cig. |
Man, it just gets better and better for the wife here. Anything else she needs to know? |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, it'll be nice not to be treated as a second class citizen when I get there.
Here, smoking sections have been abolished, so are smoking areas in public places including bus stops, businesses (unless you're 18 metres from the door), privately owned sidewalks and just about everywhere thats not the inside of your own home. On top of that there is the horrible stigma which sees smoking as a bad moral decision that you should be judged as less of a human being for.
Korea = 1, being treated like a baby by your own government = 0. |
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CoDeReBeL

Joined: 04 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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IncognitoHFX wrote: |
Oh, it'll be nice not to be treated as a second class citizen when I get there. |
I heard that. This state just slapped a $1 extra tax on every pack sold here. Supposedly that's supposed to make us all quit. If they gave a shit about our health they would just abolish tobacco altogether. Obviously all they give a shit about is our money.
(Fortunately, I live really close to the border. ) |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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The clamps are gradually tightening in Korea.
Bars & hofs are still full-on smoking with ashtrays at the ready but its becoming more frequent for someone at the table to object or if there are little kids around (fair enough) to step away to indulge. Family restaurants are no-go. Older han-sik restaurants still cater to the ajosshi crowd with ashtrays on request -- some even have "Smoking OK!" stickers on their doors. But some now have special areas or have you step outside. Its still okay in most traditional coffee shops but not the American chains.
If your students spot you smoking expect a gentle scolding -- I applaud this indoctrination. Public schools are officially non-smoking but male teachers lounges are sometimes exempt. In my school we get busted by the vp occasionally but theres still an ashtray stashed in the cabinet.
Despite all the trash already around, discarding a cigarette butt on the sidewalk is seriously frowned on. Younger women smoking in public is associated with prostitution but its becoming a more common sight in drinking places.
Youre not automatically judged a social deviant for smoking but there are beginnings of drift that way. Dedicated smokers from total clampdown countries can still buy a bit of time here. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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I don't like the mentality of some smokers, who say things like: "I don't care if they don't want to be in a bar full of smoke, I'll smoke anywhere I want and they'll just have to deal with it". People have the right to not inhale cigarette smoke--it is bad for you. Especially for younger people whose lungs aren't fully developed yet.
However, I never saw the harm in smoking rooms. When well ventilated and properly concealed, the smoke shouldn't leave the room and even if it did, its probably in such small doses that it would be on a par with inhaling car exhaust walking down a sidewalk, or building insulation, or a hundred other little toxins we breathe in on a regular basis in large cities.
The libertarian in me thinks that if you're not hurting anyone else and you accept the responsibility for your actions, then you should be allowed to smoke and not have to pay a stupid decisions tax for it. You should also not be allowed to sue if you die from it. |
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whatever

Joined: 11 Jun 2006 Location: Korea: More fun than jail.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="IncognitoHFX"]
For starters, you're not in Korea.
That said, you obviously don't care about the health of others. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="whatever"]
IncognitoHFX wrote: |
For starters, you're not in Korea.
That said, you obviously don't care about the health of others. |
Okay... |
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cosmo

Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Smokers don't care about their own health, of course they don't care about the health of others. |
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huck
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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I still don't understand how smokers can just accept themselves as "smokers". When you're younger, you don't know better...but now, when you know how bad it is for you, and how much it changes others' opinions of you, and how so many people consider it rude and disgusting....
Why continue smoking? Why worry about whether places will make it more comfortable for you to smoke? Why not say to yourself, "Well..this was obviously a huge mistake," and then do everything in your power to rectify it. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:05 am Post subject: |
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huck wrote: |
Why continue smoking? Why worry about whether places will make it more comfortable for you to smoke? Why not say to yourself, "Well..this was obviously a huge mistake," and then do everything in your power to rectify it. |
Yeah, but the word smoking in the context you've described it is interchangeable. Substitute drinking, for instance, why aren't people stigmatizing drinking as much? At least with smoking it doesn't psychologically dispose you to hurt others against your innate desire to do the opposite (for instance drinking and driving). Substitute drugs, substitute gambling... substitute greed even.
What I'm saying is that people do all sorts of things that are "huge mistakes", some are addictive substances and some are patterns of behaviour. Why single out smoking as being above all else? What I argued above is that if you smoke responsibly, ie: you don't subject anyone not of consent to your bad habit (second hand smoke), it is a personal responsibility and as such you take responsibility for your actions. So I smoke, its my choice, I'll continue to do it. Not forever of course, but for awhile. I don't hurt anyone else by doing it.
I'm basically getting at this: yes, smoking is bad for you, everyone knows that. Even small children. However, why single smoking out above and beyond other things? To be honest, I'd rather people smoke than drank. I don't drink, I don't do drugs either. Smoking is pretty much my only bad habit. Why am I worse than a drunk or a cocaine addict when the drug that I'm addicted to ends at myself and doesn't effect my overall behaviour or make me a bad person (something far more likely to be caused by other addictive substances like alcohol or even marijuana)?
Anyway, you know what they say about everything in moderation. If someone only smokes three or four cigarettes a day or only during periods of stress (like me), and only drinks on the weekends (and only moderately so)... is it really all that bad? Why single out smoking as the worst in all these cases? Seems weird to me. Actually no, it seems political.
Yeah, I realize that I'm going to get flamed for this. |
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maeil
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Location: Haebangchon
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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IncognitoHFX wrote: |
...when the drug that I'm addicted to ends at myself...
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Unfortunately, this is rarely the case. I can enjoy a drink around friends without their feeling intoxicated. You cannot enjoy a cigarette around me without my feeling sick.
The truth of the matter is that smoking is more dangerous than other intoxicating substances such as drugs or alcohol because it is more accepted. You wouldn't see anyone shooting up in a bar (not any bars that I frequent, at least), but you will see dozens of people smoking. That in and of itself makes smoking more dangerous to me; I am simply much more likely to encounter second hand smoke than I am to encounter a belligerent drunk or a dangerous druggie.
I don't mean to restate the obvious, but you ask why people single out smoking. The fact is that smoking is the one habit that, in EVERY situation, despite moderation, DOES affect everyone else around you. Yes, people drinking to excess affects others. Yes, people drugging to excess affects others. But smoking just one cigarette is enough to affect many people.
I'm not one to tell anyone else what to do. As a former smoker I understand that feeling of "It's my body, I'll do with it what I want." Sure, that's everyone's right. But so often, it's not just your body that you're hurting. That's the truth, no matter how many concealed, well-ventilated smoking rooms there are.
Besides, smoking is such a huge turnoff. Statistics show that a hot guy smoking loses, like, you know, at least, like, 50% of that hotness. It's a shame, Incognito.  |
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