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kiwiboy_nz_99
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 Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 1:39 am Post subject: Under-aged protesters |
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| On Friday I saw a group of school kids standing on the street holding signs and chanting slogans. There was a tv camera guy there, and he was coaching them and doing retakes and so on. They had obviously been trained up for it by thier teachers. I found out it was about having a seperate lane for fire engines. A worthy cause no doubt and I'm right behind it myself. But what do you think about children being used to protest about adult concerns that they probably wouldn't have thought up themselves? Could this go too far? Is there a "culture of protest" in Korea? |
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Walter Mitty
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 1:53 am Post subject: |
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It's done all the time in the US. Pro-lifers drag their kids out to the abortion clinics and have their kids say things like, "You can't do this. What if it's a boy/girl like me?" to the women going in.
That's not an exaggeration. |
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whatthefunk
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Its ignorance and selfishness. I had a group of 14 year old kids yell 'F*cking USA' at me one day. |
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The Lemon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 1:57 am Post subject: |
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WM's right.. happens in many cultures, including our own. It's gross, really. If kids can't answer articulately why they're demonstrating, reporters shouldn't have them near a camera.
Full points to children who care about things, through their own volition and incentive. Full demerits to adults who exploit the ones who don't. |
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Corporal
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| Walter Mitty wrote: |
It's done all the time in the US. Pro-lifers drag their kids out to the abortion clinics and have their kids say things like, "You can't do this. What if it's a boy/girl like me?" to the women going in.
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How do you know the kids aren't doing it of their own free will? You say the parents dragged them there. Did you see the kids being dragged there kicking and screaming? Unless you did, I suggest you not invent details merely for the purpose of furthering your agenda. Children of eight, nine, ten and so on are perfectly able to comprehend the reality of abortion and offer their own unsolicited views on the subject. Why shouldn't a child object to the practice of killing children? Because they are smaller and younger does that mean they have less of a right to open their mouths? |
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Ryst Helmut
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| The Lemon wrote: |
WM's right.. happens in many cultures, including our own. It's gross, really. If kids can't answer articulately why they're demonstrating, reporters shouldn't have them near a camera.
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I can't recall who exactly (I tend to think it was Leno), but someone went out and interviewed the protesting youth about X issue, and they had no clue to what and/or why they were protesting.
Prime Jay Walk All-Stars, they were.
Shoosh,
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Walter Mitty
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
| Walter Mitty wrote: |
It's done all the time in the US. Pro-lifers drag their kids out to the abortion clinics and have their kids say things like, "You can't do this. What if it's a boy/girl like me?" to the women going in.
That's not an exaggeration. |
How do you know the kids aren't doing it of their own free will? You say the parents dragged them there. Did you see the kids being dragged there kicking and screaming? Unless you did, I suggest you not invent details merely for the purpose of furthering your agenda. Children of eight, nine, ten and so on are perfectly able to comprehend the reality of abortion and offer their own unsolicited views on the subject. Why shouldn't a child object to the practice of killing children? Because they are smaller and younger does that mean they have less of a right to open their mouths? |
I'm talking about kids 5 and 6 years old. Don't even try to tell me they have the slightest clue what abortion is about. They know what mommy told them to say. "Lady, please don't kill your baby," and similar stuff.
This took place at a clinic two blocks from my apartment, every Saturday morning from 8:00AM to Noon. "Dragged" is a common euphemism for taking a kid somwhere they'd rather not be. How many kids do you know who'd willingly pass up cartoons for harassing total strangers?
How do I know this? At the time I lived there I worked "clinic defense" as a volunteer, escorting women (and their significant others, on occasion) to and from the clinic past the protesters. (In the spirit of keeping this on-topic, abortion comments should probably get their own topic, or go to PM.) |
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whatthefunk
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| I have a hard time believing that anyone under the age of, lets say, 16 has the ability to make their own opinions and defend them properly. Kids (in most cases) just doesn't have the education or life experience to make valid arguments about real world issues. |
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Corporal
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| I have a hard time believing that anyone under the age of, lets say, 16 has the ability to make their own opinions and defend them properly. Kids (in most cases) just doesn't have the education or life experience to make valid arguments about real world issues. |
So if a 14-year-old girl gets pregnant but wants to keep the baby because she believes (even though she can't really articulate why) it wouldn't be right to abort it, her parents should go ahead and send her to an abortion clinic? Because they have more education and life experience than she does? 
Nice.
I agree this shouldn't become an abortion discussion thread, but I implore everyone to think before they post generalizations that can so easily be thrown out the window. |
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whatthefunk
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
So if a 14-year-old girl gets pregnant but wants to keep the baby because she believes (even though she can't really articulate why) it wouldn't be right to abort it, her parents should go ahead and send her to an abortion clinic? Because they have more education and life experience than she does?
Nice.
I agree this shouldn't become an abortion discussion thread, but I implore everyone to think before they post generalizations that can so easily be thrown out the window. |
I said LIFE EXPERIENCE! In this case would you agree that the 14 year old girl can make up her own mind since it is her child? I would. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 2:36 am Post subject: |
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How do you know the kids aren't doing it of their own free will? You say the parents dragged them there. Did you see the kids being dragged there kicking and screaming? Unless you did, I suggest you not invent details merely for the purpose of furthering your agenda. Children of eight, nine, ten and so on are perfectly able to comprehend the reality of abortion and offer their own unsolicited views on the subject. Why shouldn't a child object to the practice of killing children? Because they are smaller and younger does that mean they have less of a right to open their mouths?
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I love you corp, you know that. But, sure the kids might hold those opinions, but would they have really thought about going out to protest about it, or were they encouraged to do so by their parents? |
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Corporal
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| I love you too honey. Sorry about hijacking your thread like that. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| No not at all, and you made a good point. I just had toss the question out, I wouldn't be kiwiboy if I didn't! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 7:32 am Post subject: |
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have a hard time believing that anyone under the age of, lets say, 16 has the ability to make their own opinions and defend them properly. Kids (in most cases) just doesn't have the education or life experience to make valid arguments about real world issues.
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In general, most under-16s are probably pretty stupid, and don't understand major issues all that well. On the other hand, lots of politically active adults with whom I've spoken are pretty stupid as well, but I don't object to them picking up a sign and protesting.
The basic purpose of a protest is not to articulate intelligent analyses, but simply to show the authorities that a large number of people hold a particular opinion about an issue. It helps if most of the people are adults, as then the powers-that-be will look out their windows and see a bunch of potential voters. If children are over-represented in the protest, the powers-that-be might be more inclined to dismiss its significance, unless they have reason to think that the kids will still feel the same way upon hitting adulthood.
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| So if a 14-year-old girl gets pregnant but wants to keep the baby because she believes (even though she can't really articulate why) it wouldn't be right to abort it, her parents should go ahead and send her to an abortion clinic? Because they have more education and life experience than she does? |
Corporal:
Would you be so hopped about teenagers' rights if the 14 year old was the one who wanted to have the abortion and the parents were objecting? |
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