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[Typhoon]

Good article. It is a big step in the right direction. Now if we can get the Korean language press involved the tax/pension/education/health offices may have some pressure to investigate hagwans. I wonder what hagwon Charles is the director of? There can't be that many directors that speak English well.

[mindmetoo]

[pocariboy73]

Quote from Mr. Moon of YANG-G ELS Hagwon in the Korean Herald:

[bjonothan]

Good to see him uncovering the lies that they are dribbling. I hope this picks up pace and they are held to account. It looks like they would be quite worried about the reaction and now to follow through would probably ruin some of them which would be quite funny IMO. When they turned against the very people who are their bread and butter, they crapped and fell back in it. This Chris Gelken fella did a good job. Didn't you fellas get a lawyer on board as well? What is happening with that?

[Homer]

[mindmetoo]

I wonder how Charles would feel if he was in Virginia and saw these banners on American school buses last month:



I'm sure he'd have no problem with it. Racist? No, only the guilty would think such a sign is racist.

[cbclark4]

MM2:

That post is racist.

cbc

[mindmetoo]

[oxfordstu]

Wow this is so great --- I can't believe I used to work for this hagwon. Yang-G ELS is actually one of the more famous hagwons in Daejeon and they make a lot of money because of this. Hopefully parents will see that article and go somewhere else. And that quote about health insurance --- that's a complete lie. They gave me health insurance but I really had to fight for it. No pension, though.

Anyone want Mr. Mun's number? I think I still have it somewhere....

[pocariboy73]

People interested in the latest article in the Korean Herald by Chris Gelkin, should either have a look or try to buy the printed copy of it. It stretches from Page 1 to 3. Includes some nice pictures too. Much better than the online version!

Should be an interesting day for the wanjungnims throughout Korea, especially Daejeon

[pocariboy73]

[BuHaoChi]

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[Whistleblower]

Have the Daejeon language hagwon gone too far?

When the extracurricular education of children becomes a virtually unsupervised business worth $15 billion a year and rising, it is a safe bet that the actual educational element is possibly the last thing on the mind of at least some of the market participants.

The largely ineffective enforcement of existing regulations by concerned government departments, and their inability (or unwillingness) to coordinate efforts to bring order to a chaotic sector, is helping to feed the greed of the unscrupulous. And this situation is costing millions of middle and lower class Korean parents a fortune in wasted tuition fees, and Korea its reputation as a country governed by the rule of law and fair play.

Private education institutes, or hagwon, in the city of Daejeon recently launched what amounted to a vigilante campaign by offering cash rewards to informers who exposed foreign English-language instructors who illegally teach private classes. Many of those who witnessed the campaign firsthand described it as a witch-hunt, with fines, blacklisting, and deportation being the consequence of this frontier justice.

But what is particularly galling, they say, is the fact that the posse leading the hunt, the local hagwon association, are not consumed with a desire to enforce the law; on the contrary, they are simply driven by a desire to line their own pockets. In fact, when it comes to the law, the hagwon themselves are decidedly ambivalent.

The Korea Herald was the only mainstream media outlet that reported on the campaign led by the Daejeon Foreign Language Association (DFA) two weeks ago. Some 200 banners appeared outside hagwon and on the sides of hagwon school buses. The banners warned teachers that they were "being watched" and offered a $500 reward for information leading to the conviction, blacklisting and deportation of what the banners described as "unqualified" foreigners.

"We wanted to warn these teachers that what they are doing is illegal. Plus they can get a serious penalty," Mun Yei-seung, owner and director of the Yang-G ELS hagwon in Daejeon, told The Korea Herald. "The reason we are doing this is obvious - what they are doing is against the interest of our business. We need to protect the interest of our business."

Speaking on behalf of the DFA, Mun said: "I have met some of those foreign teachers, and they think so lightly about this. They think of this like it is just like violating a traffic law, but the fact is quite different. When they are caught the law states they can be fined up to 5 million won ($5,400), which means it's a serious violation."

Mun also accused public education institutes such as colleges and universities of not taking this problem seriously. "Colleges don't do anything about what their employees do, and obviously what they are doing is against the law. And it seems to us, they take what they do so lightly. All teachers, foreign and Korean, cannot do private lessons if they are working for a school. It is illegal."

Foreign-language instructors on an E-2 visa are indeed prohibited from teaching private classes outside the hagwon. However, foreign instructors on an F-visa can obtain permission to teach private, and they are particularly outraged that the Korean-language version of the banners declared that "all foreigners teaching private classes are illegal." They say this blanket claim is prejudicial to their interests and could be legally actionable.

Presented with the facts that F-visa holders can teach privately, Mun retracted his previous statement and acknowledged that perhaps the wording in the Korean-language version may have been misleading.

"To the people who have the right to get an apology, you will get our apology. The ones who are doing it legally might be offended, then yes, to those people we should make an apology, and I am willing to raise this with our association," Mun said.

How that apology would be made, however, wasn't immediately clear.

It is widely accepted that hagwon themselves are not above bending the rules, or breaking the law, to save money. This is evidenced by the huge number of claims made and won by foreign teachers at Labor Department offices around Korea.

There have been widespread accusations that many Daejeon hagwon, for example, do not pay national health insurance for their employees and do not make pension contributions as required by law. Mun said abiding by and enforcing government regulations is something his association should encourage its members to do. He admitted, however, the DFA does not currently have a written code of conduct.

"It is something we should develop, you have given me a good idea. Yes, we encourage our directors to follow the law, but to tell you the truth we have not made any guidelines, so we have seen some conflicts between directors in the association. And I have seen some sad things as well. Yes it's a good idea," Mun said.

Yang-G's director was emphatic that wrongdoers are not above the law. "My position is very clear. If the person has done something illegal they have to deal with the consequences, and if any school is mistreating their workers, either Korean staff or foreign staff, they also have to deal with the consequences."

When pressed, Mun acknowledged that some illegal activities do take place, even within his own association. But when asked if he would report these hagwon to the authorities he told The Korea Herald: "Me personally, I don't do anything. Because I am quite well known in this community, so if I do something, they will know it was me, and that is too much for me."

Mun explained that Daejeon is big, but not as big as Seoul. "We know each other quite well. But even though the competition is severe - it is not worth for me to cause trouble."

Mun outlined one of the scenarios where a school's actions might be in conflict with the law. "Health insurance-wise, in a lot of cases the directors and teachers can make a compromise. You know they have to pay a certain amount of money - but I know some schools do make a compromise with teachers.

"In our case, a lot of (our) parents are doctors, so when we take our teachers to the doctor the cost is so little - then you know, as long as the teacher is okay, as long as the teacher and director is happy, it is their business. If one side of them is not happy, they have to do things by the law - but if the two are happy, there is nothing to say."

In light of the recent DFA campaign against illegal private tutoring, one teacher said this is an unacceptable position. "If the DFA is going to support strict enforcement of immigration laws, they should also be ready to support stricter enforcement of labor laws," the teacher wrote to The Korea Herald.

The hagwon associations have demonstrated their inability to self-regulate their sector, and many teachers are calling for more oversight and stiffer penalties for schools that break the law.

Surely, many argue, it would not be beyond the ability of Korea's globally acknowledged expertise in information technology to devise a system where information could be shared between immigration, labor, pension and health authorities.

"Currently we do not share information with other agencies such as tax, pension or national health," said Lee Hyang-sook of the Daejeon Immigration Office. "If they request information on a particular individual we can supply it, but there is no automatic mechanism for sharing information."

She said a number of countries around the world do have advanced inter-agency cooperation, and acknowledged that such a system here would obviously prevent abuses by hagwon and other employers.

The wording and tone of the banners used in the campaign has been a source of widespread offense and has raised the hackles of many long-term foreign residents of Daejeon.

"The wording of the banner has racial overtones and from a Western point of view it is prejudicial - and it's a human rights thing. It goes beyond just identifying the illegality of private tutoring," Richard Slezak of the Daejeon-based Foreign Language Educators Association told The Korea Herald.

A significant number of Canadians work in Daejeon as teachers, and Slezak, who is a warden for the Canadian Embassy, said he consulted with diplomatic officers in Seoul regarding the banner campaign.

Jess Dutton, a counselor with the embassy told The Korea Herald, "The embassy is aware of the issue and we are monitoring the situation and working with our wardens in the area." He said there were no immediate plans to make an official statement.

Slezak, who has worked in Daejeon for more than a decade, said he is disappointed that many of the people he has grown to know and like would actually give the city such a poor reputation.

"A lot of people prefer Daejeon to Seoul or other big cities. Better air, better cost of living, it's a friendly town. This is the kind of town that really grows on you - there are perhaps 1,500 foreign teachers here in hagwon and universities, and we all know each other.

"We get involved in many activities as a group - it's a really good lifestyle here, and then for the hagwon association to put this damper on our parade, well, it's not cool. They are only shooting themselves in the foot. It's a real shame."

Slezak told The Korea Herald he is consulting with colleagues and local lawyers to determine the feasibility of launching legal action against the hagwon association and participating schools.

Initially, the hagwon association claimed they were actually acting on behalf of the local authorities, such as immigration, in an effort to crack down on illegal private classes, and complaints about the nature of the campaign should be directed to them and not the DFA.

A spokesman for the DFA, who identified himself only as Charles, originally told The Korea Herald that immigration initiated the campaign, and the association was only helping. But this assertion was contradicted by the immigration Department, which said the idea came from the DFA and they only gave their approval.

The head of Yang-G ELS confirmed the immigration statement: "(The campaign) was a decision we made during our regular meeting. We had been discussing this for about two months before we decided to go ahead with it and put up the banners."

Charles' earlier assertion that he was simply a "middleman" and had no direct links to the DFA were also later discredited when The Korea Herald discovered his true identity and that he is in fact the director of an English-language hagwon in Daejeon.

Charles made the mistake of putting his English name and mobile telephone number on the banners, and was deluged with calls from outraged teachers. He fielded the complaints, and initial inquiries from The Korea Herald, by saying he was a volunteer worker and was not directly linked to the hagwon sector.

Shocked at the unprecedented attention the banner campaign has generated and the possibility of a lawsuit, hagwon directors in the DFA are attempting to shift blame and responsibility, and the unfortunate Charles has positioned himself beautifully to take on the new role of scapegoat.

By Chris Gelken

([email protected])

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Herald Academy, a subsidiary of Herald Media which publishes The Korea Herald, is the franchise licensing authority for dozens of "Herald Schools" throughout Korea.

Grace Hong, the executive director and CEO of Herald Academy told the newspaper that they are making every possible attempt to ensure that hagwon operating under the Herald brand conduct their business in a lawful and legal manner.

She said new guidelines will be distributed to franchise holders, and the academy will establish a confidential hotline where teachers employed by Herald Schools can report cases of breach of contract or other illegal behavior.


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Sorry if this is double posted but just found this in the Korean Herald.

[merkurix]

Poor Charles, he buried himself deep now that he is finding out his own fellow wonjangs are selling him down the road.

[ChuckECheese]