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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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babtangee wrote: |
Korea has some of the vainest people you will ever meet. They are terribly insecure, which is why they take such pleasure in making your flaws the centre of attention. Reverse the tables and they will be hurt.
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It sounds harsh, but it's seriously the best way to teach them. If a student hasn't reached a certain maturity level (ie - the level where they realize that being a *beep* goes both ways, and so they should grow the *beep* up), the best way to teach them a lesson is to throw it back in their face.
Empathy is a strong emotion. Same with extremely young children; the best way to teach them a lesson is to put them in the other person's shoes. If the kid's too stupid to know not to make fun of someone, show him what it's like to be made fun of.
Ginger7 is right on. Take any of the number of things that Koreans are insecure about (their noses, their eyes, whatever), and hit it, hard. Show them that being an asshole is a two-way street. Plus, you'll be teaching them a valuable lesson about respecting differences among people. |
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Cynical Optimist

Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Location: S.E. Korea
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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I like the idea of making fun of this kid's own physical flaws, but I'm going to try to take the high road so that if the *beep* hits the fan, the kid has no excuse and nothing bad he can say about me.
Next time he's just going to get kicked out of class for a long time -- let his parents know they're wasting their money because his behavior is so bad that he can't stay in the class and I won't teach him. Hopefully his parents will give him the "discipline he deserves" after that.
At my old hogwan, when kids said mapahgee, they were doing it in a happy, playful way. I didn't mind that too much. But this kid is just trying to bust my balls. I always try to give kids plenty of opportunity to improve their behavior before I just kick them out of class. This kid is now out of opportunities. The next little thing he does, out he goes. I know he doesn't care about that too much -- many of these trouble kids like getting kicked out because they don't have to study. I guess the key is letting the parents know that he's getting kicked out and missing class time.
Parents rarely show up inside the hogwans I've worked at, at the same time that their kids are there. Usually they come in real fast, pay, and walk out. So no, I've never had to (or really felt the need to) scold a kid in front of parents before.
Spliff, if I got a toupee, it would be the most ridiculous thing -- seriously, I'm only missing about that first 1"-2" of hair, with a little thinning beyond that.  |
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Ryst Helmut

Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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The Dude from Canada wrote: |
When a Korean kid is an a## and distraction, beat them with a stick, the kind of sticks that the K teachers use. Nothing wrong with. It is nice and legal. Don't listen to the liberals who say beating kids is wrong, because Korean people have an expression that says that a child's character is formed through beatings. |
Swing away, Merrill....swing away....
!shoosh,
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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ginger7 wrote: |
You can politely tell them that we do not talk about people's bodies or appearances in the West...and that if we say bad things about people back home, we can get punched. My students usually take that pretty seriously.
And when that doesn't work, if they point out my flaws, I point out theirs. For example, tell the kids they have big heads, small eyes and small noses. Point out that they wear the same outfit every day.
That sounds pretty mean, but you can find a way to make it a joke...or show them how their comments hurt you.
If one kid keeps it up, make him the butt of all jokes for the whole class. By the end, he'll be near tears. And you will have won. |
Won for as long until he figures out he can get you in trouble by complaining to Mommy. 99% of hakwon bosses will always side with the parents (regardless of what nonsense they say). Which is why I do not work in hakwons anymore. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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"But this kid is just trying to bust my balls. I always try to give kids plenty of opportunity to improve their behavior before I just kick them out of class. This kid is now out of opportunities. The next little thing he does, out he goes."
Don't punish that boy. Punish everyone else. Wall sits, pushups, hands up, holding books with outstretched arms, take away a privilege or a game. Peer preessure in this country is enormously powerful, more powerful than in the west (imo). The other students will take care of your "problem".  |
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Rapacious Mr. Batstove

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Location: Central Areola
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Laughin' at my hairline.....that's a paddlin'
Ryst Helmut wrote: |
The Dude from Canada wrote: |
When a Korean kid is an a## and distraction, beat them with a stick, the kind of sticks that the K teachers use. Nothing wrong with. It is nice and legal. Don't listen to the liberals who say beating kids is wrong, because Korean people have an expression that says that a child's character is formed through beatings. |
Swing away, Merrill....swing away....
!shoosh,
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cassette

Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I get it too but its more lighthearted teasing than full on disrespect. I also get Ma-Doo-Gi (grasshopper) cause my name is Matthew and there really similar right? |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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poet13 wrote: |
"But this kid is just trying to bust my balls. I always try to give kids plenty of opportunity to improve their behavior before I just kick them out of class. This kid is now out of opportunities. The next little thing he does, out he goes."
Don't punish that boy. Punish everyone else. Wall sits, pushups, hands up, holding books with outstretched arms, take away a privilege or a game. Peer preessure in this country is enormously powerful, more powerful than in the west (imo). The other students will take care of your "problem".  |
Works for me in a class of 30...so I'm sure it would work for the OP! Collective suffering works! |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Scotticus wrote: |
Ginger7 is right on. Take any of the number of things that Koreans are insecure about (their noses, their eyes, whatever), and hit it, hard. |
Big heads, "small" eyes, and just being ugly seem to work best. It's one thing if one of MY students is disrespecting me, cause I can control such behaviour in my class and make sure it doesn't happen again through other means, but if some OTHER kid does it, the slams against their appearance work quite well to shut them up PDQ. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Isn't it wrong to punish innocent people? Making the whole classs do wall situps or whatever in the hope that they will be your pawns and punish the target student doesn't seem very ethical. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Now he's bald. |
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ruffie

Joined: 11 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: |
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It seems to have died down for me - we have some new teachers and they are the point of interest right now. What I don't like is the kids trying to touch my head..for one thing, it is extremely rude in Korean culture to touch someone's head, and secondly, their dirty grubby hands give me head zits. They even try this in front of Korean teachers, at which point I loudly ask the kid "Do you touch Mr. so and so's (Kim, Park, Cho whatever) head? No? Then don't EVER touch the WEEGOOKIN'S head! The kids get it, plus I have the added pleasure of shaming the Korean teachers.
If you aren't bald or have a receding hairline, then you can't really understand the feelings this taunt gives you. It's not so much that they are making fun of your baldness - you get that everywhere - some people think it's a sad thing, some think it's sexy. The real annoyance of the situation is that it throws everything bad about korea in your face. Their lack of respect for foreigners, their pathological vanity, their instinctual need to torture and humiliate anyone who is different, the fact that they are all sheep who find that pathetic little comic and his silly routine still hilariously funny day after day, month after month, year after year. Now when I hear the taunt, It just increases my pity for a people who are, for all intents and purposes, doomed to always be backward, laughed at, even despised. Through their own making.
Korea itself is essentially like that poor comic who does the routine. Repeating the same crap over and over, to an audience made up of only themselves, killing themselves laughing at a joke that nobody else gets, or will ever get. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: |
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You guys should work for CDI. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: "mapaghee", teacher F bombs, and scolding stud |
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Cynical Optimist wrote: |
What do you think � would you scold a student about bad behavior in front of their parent? |
Yes!
That is what theacher are expected to do in this country.
Do not physically abuse, but do be strict and inform the child that it's behaviour is wrong with a strong tone of voice, Korean parents WILL not tell you to do otherwise. |
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