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Public Middle School - always need to make fun lessons?
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Public Middle School - always need to make fun lessons? Reply with quote

I decided to teach using a textbook today instead of my usual more relaxed approach, and I felt that the students learned a lot more than previously. However, after the lesson I was informed by my co-teacher that the students found the lesson boring and so I shouldn't use a textbook anymore. I know it's important to make lessons fun, but I tried to do that through the use of dialogues and getting the students to come to the front and ask each other questions etc.

I recently chose to renew my contract at the school, but I'm now feeling that whatever I do it seems to displease some of my co-teachers. If I make the lessons "too fun" through the use of games, the students become too rowdy and even the Korean teachers don't like that as they're not very capable of controlling the class. If I remove games from the lesson, I'm told it's too boring for them. I'm at a loss for what to do sometimes. I'm thinking high school might be better - any thoughts/ideas?
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mix it up a bit. I find if I'm bored they're bored.

My students like a little off he cuff discussion at the start.

A review of my best stuff from lessons past, pronunciation practice.

Then a lesson of some sort maybe involving a game.

Then a review of the lesson, closing with discussion of the lesson.

By the way I think your doing a terrific job.

Let them think what they want, you can see if your students are improving.

Can they pronounce "L","R","F","V". Can they say thirty three.

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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Public Middle School - always need to make fun lessons? Reply with quote

butlerian wrote:
I decided to teach using a textbook today instead of my usual more relaxed approach, and I felt that the students learned a lot more than previously. However, after the lesson I was informed by my co-teacher that the students found the lesson boring and so I shouldn't use a textbook anymore. I know it's important to make lessons fun, but I tried to do that through the use of dialogues and getting the students to come to the front and ask each other questions etc.

I recently chose to renew my contract at the school, but I'm now feeling that whatever I do it seems to displease some of my co-teachers. If I make the lessons "too fun" through the use of games, the students become too rowdy and even the Korean teachers don't like that as they're not very capable of controlling the class. If I remove games from the lesson, I'm told it's too boring for them. I'm at a loss for what to do sometimes. I'm thinking high school might be better - any thoughts/ideas?


I can't offer advice about switching to H.S. since I have only worked at a elementary school but good lord....I hate the whole "Oh! It's boring!" Rolling Eyes

I'm sure math teachers don't have to deal with that tripe...

Ultimately, I'd ask the boss what he or she wants. I mean...you can't please all the people all the time, right? Rolling Eyes

I'm sure others can give you some great ideas...The only thing I can think of is that I teach songs sometimes but it's more a reward for learning than a means to an end...

Good luck!
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My immediate thought about this was that using a textbook is not necessarily boring ... And using games in the lesson is also not necessarily engaging (not boring) ... Both can be ...
engaging and both can be boring ...

It might be worthwhile to think about what was different in how you taught the lesson ... Or thinking about whether or not you think all of the students were actively involved or engaged with the lesson ...

This may also just be what one teacher thinks ... about the lesson ... OR it might really have been boring ...

I will write more when I get back from my class ...

Icicle
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shantaram



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaemiyae chuketa.
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Colorado



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Public School with too much time on my hands.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the same boat. A few months into my second contract at the same public middle school. I understand what you're going through. Some days I aim for the target, but miss it entirely. I try to chalk it up to experience. Learn from my mistakes. You can usually tell by the kids' reactions if something works or not. Sometimes you just don't know if it's going to work until you try it and then tweak it a bit, change a few things. I teach one lesson for level 1 and another for level 2, and I teach the same two lessons all week. By Friday, the lesson that maybe wasn't wasn't too hot on Monday has improved considerably. Trial and error, review and reflection, modification.
And you can use the textbook as a reference point, add some spin and spice to it, include some kind of game to make it more interesting.
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colorado wrote:
I'm in the same boat. A few months into my second contract at the same public middle school. I understand what you're going through. Some days I aim for the target, but miss it entirely. I try to chalk it up to experience. Learn from my mistakes. You can usually tell by the kids' reactions if something works or not. Sometimes you just don't know if it's going to work until you try it and then tweak it a bit, change a few things. I teach one lesson for level 1 and another for level 2, and I teach the same two lessons all week. By Friday, the lesson that maybe wasn't wasn't too hot on Monday has improved considerably. Trial and error, review and reflection, modification.
And you can use the textbook as a reference point, add some spin and spice to it, include some kind of game to make it more interesting.


I agree very much with what you have said here ... So far I have been teaching the same lesson for 1st Class and 2nd Class ... and the 1st couple of lessons each week end up definitely being the ones where you try it out and see what does and doesn't work ... and what works right for timing in practice ... There are also differences in each class ... which al end up meaning that the same lesson ends up getting better overall as the week goes on ... and slightly different for each class ... flowing from how they respond to ... what answers they give in each area of the lesson... For me there is also a relatively big difference between the 4 KT's I work with. One tends to do very little in the lesson unless requested ... 2 usually end up being more co-teaching situations where they input as appropriate ... while I plan and direct the lesson ... and the other one is different with different classes ... That means that the same lesson is usually not the same in practice.

I wouldn't write off the idea of using the text book ... or other sources like that ... I have a relatively free reign in terms of what to do in my lessons ... 1 have one lesson with each class each week ... and often get my trigger idea from one book or another that I have ... and tend to try for a balance between different activities ... and not do any one thing for too long ... and also not have too much time where all the students don't need to do something ... Sometimes pair or small group work can an effective way of students either practicing or working together on an activity ... But using the texbook is not in my opinion inherently a bad thing ... It is what you do with it which counts ... And a lesson not working well with one class ... does not mean it is necessarily a bad lesson ... a lot of things can influence that ... But what we all need to do (me included) is to think reflectively on the lesson ... on what was good/bad and what worked/didn't work and consider why ... and then (if lesson is being repeated with other classes) make appropraite changes before doing it again. If you are doing it with more than one KT it could be useful to get their feedback .... especially if they are different .... One teacher saying something about one lesson is not necessarily what the others would say ... or what would be true in a different class ... But it is also true unfortunately that depending on the level of fluency in English it can sometimes be hard to talk on this reflective level with our KT's ...

Icicle
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel ya, I've had the same problem. When my CT said the students were not interested, I simply said, "Wht do you recommend?" That way, if the next lesson fell on its face, the CT could share in the blame. Seems to have worked, now we actually go over what we're going to be doing the next week to determine if the material is "interesting" or not. He also has a vested interest in helping to make the class interesting. Would write more but my students are here now!
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is exactly why I would never ever teach at Korean public school.

You have 4 or even 22 Koreans telling you how to teach when they themselves don't know didley shiat about English.

Just collect your pay check and ignore them.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What far more important than whether it's fun is whether it's interesting and stimulating. I also like the 'well what do you suggest?' line. Some parts of language acquisition are difficult and require focused attention, and this may not be 'fun' to all MS students. Unfortunately there are some basics that are hard to get across with games and songs.

If you're doing no activities that your students would label as 'fun' or if you're doing only such activities there's probably something very wrong with your approach.
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icicle



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
What far more important than whether it's fun is whether it's interesting and stimulating.

If you're doing no activities that your students would label as 'fun' or if you're doing only such activities there's probably something very wrong with your approach.


Yes ... A balance between the two is essential ... And sometimes it is trial and error to find out what will work in the middle school classroom... Games and activities that will work well with smaller groups / classes up to 20 or so will probably not work without adaption for the class sizes of 40 that we deal with in the middle school ... And I have found that sometimes it is the first couple of classes of the week where I sometimes find out what doesn't work ... or needs changing ... and make the changes before the next class ... I have also found in the last couple of weeks since I have made the move to using powerpoint a lot in the classroom (each of our classrooms has a data projector and the KT's all have laptops) ... that using this along with the visuals which it allows you to add ... that this has made some of the potentially more "boring" but essential parts of the lesson ... less boring ... and less time consuming than they easily could be without it ... I

am very interested in any ideas of making things as effective as possible in the classroom ... and what has and has not worked for others.

Icicle
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butlerian



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
What far more important than whether it's fun is whether it's interesting and stimulating. I also like the 'well what do you suggest?' line. Some parts of language acquisition are difficult and require focused attention, and this may not be 'fun' to all MS students. Unfortunately there are some basics that are hard to get across with games and songs.

If you're doing no activities that your students would label as 'fun' or if you're doing only such activities there's probably something very wrong with your approach.


I made a point of asking her if she had any ideas how to improve it but I was met with a blank expression. My co-teachers don't help me in any way apart from occasionally banging a stick to make students quiet.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

butlerian wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
What far more important than whether it's fun is whether it's interesting and stimulating. I also like the 'well what do you suggest?' line. Some parts of language acquisition are difficult and require focused attention, and this may not be 'fun' to all MS students. Unfortunately there are some basics that are hard to get across with games and songs.

If you're doing no activities that your students would label as 'fun' or if you're doing only such activities there's probably something very wrong with your approach.


I made a point of asking her if she had any ideas how to improve it but I was met with a blank expression. My co-teachers don't help me in any way apart from occasionally banging a stick to make students quiet.


One other thing that occured to me - what book did you use? Did you use their regular class textbook? If so, she may not want you teaching something that she's going to be teaching or has already taught. If it's a case of the latter, I could understand her 'boring' comment. What students want to cover the same pages of the textbook twice? If, one the other hand, you were using hand-outs from a different textbook, I'd tell her that she'd better get used to it, phrased in a very different way depending on whether she was older or younger than me.
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banging a stick works, but I use a method my old elementary school teacher employed: teach them to put one finger over their mouth and the other hand in the air when you do. The silence effectively spreads like a ripple.

I've only been in PS a short time, but I believe that constant communication between CTs is key. After each class, I ask my CT what went well and how we could've improved the class. Our CTs have many years of teaching experience as well as experience with Korean students, so they really are a wealth of information.

When all else fails, I just play dumb: "I just don't understand what you're saying, HOW can we make the classes more interesting?" or "I guess I just don't understand how we can motivate EVERY student. What do you usually do?"

They seem to like giving me "advice."Of course there has to be a balance or you'll be perceived as incompetent. I do have to stand my ground on occasion.
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butlerian



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
butlerian wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
What far more important than whether it's fun is whether it's interesting and stimulating. I also like the 'well what do you suggest?' line. Some parts of language acquisition are difficult and require focused attention, and this may not be 'fun' to all MS students. Unfortunately there are some basics that are hard to get across with games and songs.

If you're doing no activities that your students would label as 'fun' or if you're doing only such activities there's probably something very wrong with your approach.


I made a point of asking her if she had any ideas how to improve it but I was met with a blank expression. My co-teachers don't help me in any way apart from occasionally banging a stick to make students quiet.


One other thing that occured to me - what book did you use? Did you use their regular class textbook? If so, she may not want you teaching something that she's going to be teaching or has already taught. If it's a case of the latter, I could understand her 'boring' comment. What students want to cover the same pages of the textbook twice? If, one the other hand, you were using hand-outs from a different textbook, I'd tell her that she'd better get used to it, phrased in a very different way depending on whether she was older or younger than me.


I was using a different textbook. I guess I'll just try to supplement it more with other materials for the time being.
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