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MANDRL
Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Location: South Korea
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 Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| My point is Kobe's first championship was in his 4th year, the same year that James is in now and playing in the NBA finals. The other two championships happened in his fifth and sixth year. So, yes, it is close, with maybe the advantage going to Lebron. |
Point taken, let's see how the Bronster does against the Spurs. I think the Spurs will steam roll the young Cavs team in 5 though. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Yeah, I know. I can be a dreamer, can't I? There has not been a professional championship in Cleveland since the Jim Brown led Cleveland Browns won an AFL (not an NFL) title in 1964. Can you imagine that? |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I know. I can be a dreamer, can't I? There has not been a professional championship in Cleveland since the Jim Brown led Cleveland Browns won an AFL (not an NFL) title in 1964. Can you imagine that? |
Uh Cleveland was in the NFL in 1964, they didnt move to the AFC until the 1970 merger when them, Pittsburgh and the then Baltimore Colts agreeded to switch.
Cleveland was a member of the old AAFC (???) from the 1940's through the 50's when it was absorbed by the NFL
back to the topic...Cleveland doesnt have a chance, if they pull this off it would be one of the greatest upests in profesional sports finals history. Almost as big as the Jets winning Super Bowl III |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| I have been really impressed with LeBron these payoffs. His outside game surprised me. But there is one more reason to hold off elevating LeBron too highly at this point: Free-throw shooting. I'm sorry, but other than 7-footers, the great players make them more than 73 percent of the time. I expect him to correct this, though. |
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Zoobot
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| Kobe has the best one-one-one game in the league right now. Basketball is not a one-on-one sport, though. If it was, Kobe would be the best in the league. I have seen sooooo many games of Kobe just tossing up low percentage shots, with hands all up in his face with competant shooters WIDE OPEN. Sometimes he makes them, sometimes he doesn't. I find Lebron's Basketball IQ much higher than Kobe's and he's still so young. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Again, from Fox Sports:
Cleveland is 2nd in most suffering as a sports city; for the record they decided Buffalo was #1. Why do I mention this? Cleveland sports teams, especially the Cavs get no respect. As good as Lebron is he hasn't gotten the hype before because he plays in Clevland. If he played in LA, he would have already been crowned better than Jordan. If he can bring an NBA championship to a city like Cleveland, it would be one heck of an accomplishment!
2. Cleveland
What do most Northern Ohio sports fans know about world championships? What their parents or grandparents told them.
The Browns won the 1964 NFL title with the peerless Jim Brown bulldozing opponents. Since then, there have been many chances to win NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball crowns . . . but, ultimately, no team went the distance. The Indians haven't won a World Series since 1948 ?owing, some say, to the Curse of Rocky Colavito ?and the Cavaliers have never won it all.
RECURRING NIGHTMARES: The Fumble by Earnest Byner; The Drive by John Elway; trade-happy "Cadavers" owner Ted Stepien; Brian Sipe's interception in 1980; Edgar Renteria's World Series-clinching rip up the middle; poor Craig Ehlo guarding Michael Jordan; traitorous Browns owner Art Modell.
DEPARTURES: Rams, Barons, Browns, Colavito, Len Dawson, Paul Brown, Bill Belichick, Lenny Wilkens, Jim Thome, Bartolo Colon, Carlos Boozer |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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More from Fox Sports on the Cavs winning it:
And while James is one of the few players ever capable of lifting an entire organization to an entirely new level, there are 11 other players and a coaching staff that must contribute for them to prevent the Spurs from winning their fourth title in nine seasons. Granted the Cavs had the best record (19-11) of any Eastern Conference team against the West, and did beat the Spurs in both meetings this season � 88-81 in San Antonio and 82-78 in Cleveland � so anything is possible.
They go on to say the Cavs have no chance though. |
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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Location: Poh*A*ng City
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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The Cavs have to come out and win Game 1 if they're going to have a chance against the Spurs.
Personally I think they are going to get killed, but I'm definately rooting for Lebron, and wasn't that disappointed when he dismantled my Pistons.
Basically you are witnessing an ascention. The Cavs are going to be the most dominant team in the East for the next decade, you'll probably see them at the Conference Finals consecutively.
And you can't even compare Kobe to Lebron. Kobe is a bum. |
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MANDRL
Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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The Cavs have to come out and win Game 1 if they're going to have a chance against the Spurs.
Personally I think they are going to get killed, but I'm definately rooting for Lebron, and wasn't that disappointed when he dismantled my Pistons.
Basically you are witnessing an ascention. The Cavs are going to be the most dominant team in the East for the next decade, you'll probably see them at the Conference Finals consecutively.
And you can't even compare Kobe to Lebron. Kobe is a bum. |
Kobe is a polarizing dude, some hate him and some love him. Personally, I love the Kobester. In my opinion, he is the greatest in the game today and the best all around scorer of all time. If you're not a Lakers fan, you will disagree with me, that's fine.
In regards to the Cavs arriving as THE dominant team in the East, maybe. It will be fun to watch LeBron and D-Wade compete against each other in the coming years to claim their teams' dominance. However, being the dominant team in the East is like the WNBA champ, who cares. There needs to be a major overhaul of talent from the West to the East for the East to matter again. |
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mikowee
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Cavs aren't ascending anywhere. This is their plateau for the next few years with their salary cap space tied up in a marginal supporting cast. And while reaching the finals is definitely an achievement, it's the east. There are a few teams with a good chance of making the finals.
The teams that are going to rise are the ones with good, young talent at their core. Raptors and Bulls come to mind in the east. Blazers are gonna be a force in the west. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ferry, the Cavs GM, signed the contracts so that after the next two seasons everyone is off the books except James. So, no, they will not be restricted by the cap.
James and Wade are going to be a good rivalry. They can both play. Though, Wade has a much worse outside shot than James. Dominance in the East will definately come down to who can command the best supporting cast. So far, you have to give the Heat the edge there. Shaq, Jason Williams, Eddie Johnson, Antoine Walker, Gary Payton, Haslem...the Heat really look good on paper.
The Bulls and the Raptors lack a goto scorer. Gordon is too small and too streaky to be a long term solution at the 2. Bosh is great! But he needs a Ginobli like 2 to really give the Raps a chance. Their loss to the Nets was telling. I think the Bulls could be in a worse cap situation than the CAVS. On the other hand, they still are reaping lottery picks!
James is a dominating enough of a player to keep the Cavs a perenial favorite in the East for a long time. |
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mikowee
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Ferry, the Cavs GM, signed the contracts so that after the next two seasons everyone is off the books except James. So, no, they will not be restricted by the cap.
James and Wade are going to be a good rivalry. They can both play. Though, Wade has a much worse outside shot than James. Dominance in the East will definately come down to who can command the best supporting cast. So far, you have to give the Heat the edge there. Shaq, Jason Williams, Eddie Johnson, Antoine Walker, Gary Payton, Haslem...the Heat really look good on paper.
The Bulls and the Raptors lack a goto scorer. Gordon is too small and too streaky to be a long term solution at the 2. Bosh is great! But he needs a Ginobli like 2 to really give the Raps a chance. Their loss to the Nets was telling. I think the Bulls could be in a worse cap situation than the CAVS. On the other hand, they still are reaping lottery picks!
James is a dominating enough of a player to keep the Cavs a perenial favorite in the East for a long time. |
The Cavs might improve after their cap clears up, just not now. They'll have to do a better job in providing James with some help, though. The Heat are good now, but are definitely on the decline. They can ride Wade and Shaq for a little bit longer, but the rest of the cast is suspect. Walker and Williams? Come on. And Payton's fading fast.
Why the Bulls didn't bite on the trade proposal for Gasol is beyond me. If they gave up one of Gordon or Deng to get him, they'd be in the finals right now. When they finally grow the balls to trade one of their premier perimeter players for a low post scorer, they will be the east champs.
The Raps just need another scoring threat on the wing. A guy that can score, rebound, and defend. Ideally, they'd get Gerald Wallace for that, but that doesn't look likely with the Raps' cap situation. If Colangelo can somehow address that need via trade or free agency, then the Raps are among the east's elite. |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Shaq, Jason Williams, Eddie Johnson, Antoine Walker, Gary Payton, Haslem...the Heat really look good on paper. |
This is an extremely minority opinion these days. Shaq was a shadow of his former self, and is fading fast in the tradition of huge dudes. Jason Williams has his moments but is turnover prone and not a good overall shooter. Eddie Jones is old and was a defensive specialist even in his prime, a specialty that doesn't age well. Antoine Walker has always been a chucker with almost no redeeming features except his occasional hot nights. Gary Payton is a hall-of-famer, but there's no way to tell by watching his current game. Udonis Haslem is a good sixth man (and Jason Kapono is a great off-the-bench designated gunner).
Miami is done, barring a major revamp. |
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SarcasmKills
Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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You know what kills me?
That Robert F'in Horry is going to win his SEVENTH championship... |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| well game 1 showed that LBJ has a long way to go. SA absolutely SCHOOLED them today |
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